Re: Renaming RSS 1.0 as RSS-RDF
"rcade" <[email protected]> Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:57:45 -0000
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--vHT-r2KMzJa3LpNlAO5f8wksVR7BfvSytCnmukl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- In [email protected], "Bill Kearney" <ml_yahoo@...> wrote: > Ah yeah, right. Let's see, one format comes up with a name, then some > jackass hijacks it by playing version number games. Then it becomes > the originator's responsibility to change their name? No way. I'm not suggesting that the RSS-DEV Working Group is obligated to change the name of RSS 1.0 because of confusion with RSS 2.0. I'm suggesting that RSS 1.0 would benefit from the name change, because it's getting overlooked in confusion with RSS 2.0. Your working group's in a position to rename RSS 1.0 because you own the copyright to the specification and have a respected, six-year-old public process for making changes to it. The advisory board's in no position to rename RSS 2.0. If we did, I'm certain it would be treated by the public as a third branch of RSS. You've followed the board's work this year. We've promoted Atom and RSS 1.0. Every page of our site links to yours. The version number fight was unfortunate, but I feel like this is a win-win solution. Recasting RDF Site Summary (RSS) as RSS for the Resource Description Framework (RSS-RDF) is like Dave Winer's decision to start calling RSS 0.9x/2.0 Really Simple Syndication. The name helps sell the public on the format. If you adopted the name RSS for the Resource Description Framework, RSS 1.0 could still call itself RSS *and* gain the more specific name RSS-RDF. You're already the No. 1 result for that term in Google: http://masl.to/?B48021D5E Where's the downside here? --vHT-r2KMzJa3LpNlAO5f8wksVR7BfvSytCnmukl Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <!-- Network content --> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 490px; padding: 0 15px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text"> <p>--- In <a href="mailto:rss-dev%40yahoogroups.com">rss-dev@yahoogroups<wbr>.com</a>, "Bill Kearney" <ml_yahoo@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br> > Ah yeah, right. Let's see, one format comes up with a name, then some<br> > jackass hijacks it by playing version number games. Then it becomes<br> > the originator's responsibility to change their name? No way.<br> <br> I'm not suggesting that the RSS-DEV Working Group is obligated to<br> change the name of RSS 1.0 because of confusion with RSS 2.0.<br> <br> I'm suggesting that RSS 1.0 would benefit from the name change,<br> because it's getting overlooked in confusion with RSS 2.0.<br> <br> Your working group's in a position to rename RSS 1.0 because you own<br> the copyright to the specification and have a respected, six-year-old<br> public process for making changes to it.<br> <br> The advisory board's in no position to rename RSS 2.0. If we did, I'm<br> certain it would be treated by the public as a third branch of RSS.<br> <br> You've followed the board's work this year. We've promoted Atom and<br> RSS 1.0. Every page of our site links to yours.<br> <br> The version number fight was unfortunate, but I feel like this is a<br> win-win solution. Recasting RDF Site Summary (RSS) as RSS for the<br> Resource Description Framework (RSS-RDF) is like Dave Winer's decision<br> to start calling RSS 0.9x/2.0 Really Simple Syndication. The name<br> helps sell the public on the format.<br> <br> If you adopted the name RSS for the Resource Description Framework,<br> RSS 1.0 could still call itself RSS *and* gain the more specific name<br> RSS-RDF. You're already the No. 1 result for that term in Google:<br> <br> <a href="http://masl.to/?B48021D5E">http://masl.<wbr>to/?B48021D5E</a><br> <br> Where's the downside here?<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width="1" style="color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar"> <span class="left"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/message/7389;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bmgwOXZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBG1zZ0lkAzczOTcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTY2MDU1ODYxBHRwY0lkAzczODk-"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld">9</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwc2lvdTVzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBG1zZ0lkAzczOTcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTY2MDU1ODYx?act=reply&messageNum=7397"> <span class="bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZTBncW9zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE2NjA1NTg2MQ--" class="bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbHJ2MjR1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTE2NjA1NTg2MQ--">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJma2d2MnZvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzExNjYwNTU4NjE-">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaWtuNGNoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE2NjA1NTg2MQ--">Members</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- Do not have place to put it yet --> <div id="ygrp-grft"> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNGpwcnI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwOTEwODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMTY2MDU1ODYx"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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