RE: [CUWiN] Re: CU-Wireless Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1
"Tim Yardley" <[email protected]> Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:13:14 -0600
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This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1478508021== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C85304.7314D9A0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C85304.7314D9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barry; =20 Anything is possible. For those that are even remotely crafty, the limitations that are in place won=92t stop them anyway. As for = specifically allowing ssh, I=92ll poke around the agreement and see if there is = anything explicitly stated to stop it. If not, I=92ll toss the idea around and = see if there are any objections. It would make my life easier as well. =20 No promises, but better than nothing right? Keep in mind that in Pavlov doing this was a gift to the city, so as such it=92s meant to be usable = to the masses. If the masses need ssh for common use, then they should get = that if it doesn=92t hamper the rest of the users. Another one that is = obviously on the list of niceties would be to allow SIP. Since the requirements of = that can be a little more intensive, that is a little harder sell. =20 Again though, anything is possible. =20 /tmy =20 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barry Isralewitz Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CUWiN] Re: CU-Wireless Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 =20 Hi, =20 Message: 2 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:35:35 -0500 From: David Young <HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CUWiN] Champaign's "free" wireless. =20 [snip] SSH does not even work =20 Wow, really? In a tech-dependent town like this one? =20 Can Go Networks/Pavlov be convinced by the City to turn SSH = on? Something like 1. Convince City of Champaign that a) Alpha-geeks are far happier with SSH. = Champaign wants these people happy, whether residents or visitors: from their = ranks come new tax-paying local tech businesses and local-economy-vital UIUC world-tech-leader status. They wouldn't for example, want a visiting entrepreneurially-bent academic, contemplating a UIUC job, to turn on = her laptop in downtown Champaign, attempt to check a running process back = home, then shout "idiotic Champaign wireless! I knew this small town would = suck, I'm definitely taking that position at Berkeley." b) SSH is how users will communicate with the computers we are famous for, like, say, the coming $200M Fastest = Computer in The Freaking World. c) Blocking SSH doesn't prevent bad behavior; similarly abusive/bandwdith-abusive behavior can happen over http. 2. Convinced by such arguments, and motivated soley by forward-thinking tax greed, Champaign tells Go Networks / Pavolv = "unblock SSH". =20 =20 Cheers, Barry --=20 Barry Isralewitz Theoretical and Computational Biophysics Group, UIUC=20 Beckman 3043 Office Phone: (217) 244-1612 Home Phone: (217) 337-6364 email: [email protected] HYPERLINK "http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~barryi"http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~barryi =20 =20 =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: = 1/9/2008 10:16 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: = 1/9/2008 10:16 AM =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C85304.7314D9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1250"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Helvetica; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-style-priority:99; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} span.apple-style-span {mso-style-name:apple-style-span;} span.apple-tab-span {mso-style-name:apple-tab-span;} span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Barry;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Anything is possible. For those that are even remotely crafty, the limitations that are in place won’t stop them anyway. As for specifically allowing ssh, I’ll poke around = the agreement and see if there is anything explicitly stated to stop = it. If not, I’ll toss the idea around and see if there are any = objections. It would make my life easier as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>No promises, but better than nothing right? Keep in = mind that in Pavlov doing this was a gift to the city, so as such it’s = meant to be usable to the masses. If the masses need ssh for common use, = then they should get that if it doesn’t hamper the rest of the = users. Another one that is obviously on the list of niceties would be to allow = SIP. Since the requirements of that can be a little more intensive, that is a = little harder sell.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Again though, anything is possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>/tmy<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt = 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> = [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] <b>On Behalf Of = </b>Barry Isralewitz<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 07, 2007 12:41 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [email protected]<br> <b>Subject:</b> [CUWiN] Re: CU-Wireless Digest, Vol 40, Issue = 1<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Message: 2<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:35:35 -0500<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal>From: David Young <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Subject: Re: [CUWiN] Champaign's "free" = wireless.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <p class=3DMsoNormal>[snip]<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span>SSH does not even = work</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; </span>Wow, really? In a tech-dependent town like this one? = <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; </span>Can Go Networks/Pavlov be convinced by the City to turn SSH on? = Something like<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; </span>1. Convince City of Champaign that<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; </span>a) Alpha-geeks are far happier with SSH. Champaign wants these = people happy, whether residents or visitors: from their ranks come new = tax-paying local tech businesses and local-economy-vital UIUC world-tech-leader status. They wouldn't for = example, want a visiting entrepreneurially-bent academic, contemplating a UIUC job, to turn on her laptop in downtown Champaign, attempt to = check a running process back home, then shout "idiotic Champaign = wireless! I knew this small town would suck, = I'm definitely taking that position at Berkeley."<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; </span>b) SSH is how users will communicate with the computers we are famous for, = like, say, the coming $200M Fastest Computer in The Freaking = World.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; </span>c) Blocking SSH doesn't prevent bad behavior; similarly = abusive/bandwdith-abusive behavior can happen over http.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; </span>2. Convinced by such arguments, and motivated soley by forward-thinking tax greed, Champaign tells Go Networks / Pavolv "unblock SSH".<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p;  = ; </span>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = class=3Dapple-tab-span> &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p;  = ; </span>Barry<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>Barry Isralewitz Theoretical and Computational Biophysics Group, UIUC <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>Beckman 3043 Office Phone: (217) 244-1612 = Home Phone: (217) 337-6364<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>email: [email protected] <a href=3D"http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~barryi">http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~barryi</a= ><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'><br> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>No virus found in this incoming = message.<br> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: = 1/9/2008 10:16 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: = 1/9/2008 10:16 AM<BR> </FONT> </P> ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C85304.7314D9A0-- --===============1478508021== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ CU-Wireless mailing list [email protected] http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/cu-wireless Project Page: http://cuwireless.ucimc.org --===============1478508021==--