Re: Wobbly Wi-Fi strives for stability inPortland (The Oregonian)
"Tyler van Houwelingen" <tyler-V1V7y2s5pYxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:16:16 -0400
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does anyone know the gateway IP addresses that MetroFi is using on their Free and Premium (WPA secure) networks? ty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caleb Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <general-9Og1/[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [ptp-general] Wobbly Wi-Fi strives for stability inPortland (The Oregonian) >> I am curious what you guys think of the MetroFi service in Portland. > > I don't think Personal Telco has any one opinion on the matter (being an > all-volunteer-anarchy-of-sorts). > > We (by which I mean mostly Jason McArthur) have archived some opinions > and links and stuff like that on the wiki: > > http://wiki.personaltelco.net/MetroFi > > Also, Russell and I (as most know by now) did an independent (of both > the City and PTP) survey of the Portland MetroFi proof-of-concept > network, which lives here: > > http://unwirepdx-watch.org > http://unwirepdx-watch.org/files/report.pdf > > However, this is less what we "think" and more what we "learned" about > the network. > > Some comments below... > >> Wobbly Wi-Fi strives for stability >> Technology - The city's wireless network's been plagued with technical >> difficulties and iffy finances >> Monday, September 03, 2007 >> MIKE ROGOWAY >> The Oregonian >> The dream of cheap, wireless Web access broadcast across whole cities -- >> a dream nurtured with great fervor around the country last year -- has >> largely collapsed. >> >> In city after city, technical limitations and financial troubles have >> killed plans to replicate coffee shop Wi-Fi networks on a broad scale. >> Just last week, plans for networks in Chicago, Houston and San Francisco >> were scuttled when EarthLink Inc. disbanded its Wi-Fi team. >> >> And yet in Portland, the dream survives. >> >> Despite eight months of ridicule by bloggers and techies, and scores of >> complaints from would-be Web surfers who can't connect, Portland's >> network is proving stubbornly resilient. > > Should say "citizen criticism" not "ridicule by techies". > >> Data from MetroFi Inc., the California company behind the project, >> indicate that thousands of people are quietly using the network. It isn't >> the plug-and-play, universal access of Web surfers' dreams, but it's not >> an out-and-out failure, either. > > Oh, boy, nothing proves success like asking the marketing department! > >> "I don't know of any municipal wireless network that has as much usage," >> said Chuck Haas, MetroFi's chief executive. "Portland is absolutely a >> success." >> >> If Portland is positioned to be the last man standing, though, that's >> hardly an enviable spot. MetroFi itself acknowledges that free Wi-Fi >> alone won't satisfy its investors, and is exploring alternatives that >> include more robust technologies and paid services. >> >> Others say that Portland's plan was fatally flawed and that it's >> impossible to use Wi-Fi to build a citywide network that's both >> profitable and reliable. > > Perhaps they were focusing on the wrong kind of profit. > >> Portland should start over with a community-oriented approach focused on >> bringing wireless access to individual neighborhoods, said Michael >> Weinberg, president of the volunteer group Personal Telco Project. > > Yay, Mike! > >> Personal Telco popularized Wi-Fi in Portland by setting up dozens of free >> hot spots in cafes and bars around the city and helped inspire the city's >> network. The group's members quickly turned against the effort and are >> now among its most vocal critics. > > Wrong again. We didn't "turn against it", we're just concerned and vocal > citizens. > >> "Personal Telco Project was able to do a lot of stuff because we're >> volunteers," he said. "That gives us a huge advantage in terms of >> accomplishing a lot of things." >> >> A rough start >> >> MetroFi won Portland's contract in the summer of 2006 by offering what >> seemed an unbeatable deal: free Wi-Fi for nearly all of Portland, with no >> financial commitment from the city. The startup planned to pay for its >> network with 1-inch banner ads that appear across Web browsers while >> users are online, and from other wireless subscriptions it hoped the city >> would buy. >> >> The first phase went online downtown in December. Troubles were >> immediately apparent, as coverage was spotty in some areas and all but >> unavailable indoors. Many users were surprised to learn that MetroFi >> recommends a $100 signal booster indoors to overcome the limitations of >> low-powered Wi-Fi signals. >> >> Negative reviews followed, distributed coast-to-coast by National Public >> Radio and The Associated Press. The AP labeled Portland's network >> "frustrating" after repeated, unsuccessful attempts to log on. Portland >> bloggers and technologists have been considerably less kind, offering >> expletives and other scorn to describe connection problems. >> >> Still, MetroFi persists. The Portland network is now about 25 percent >> complete, and MetroFi says it expects to cover nearly all of Portland by >> this time next year as its contract with the city requires. >> >> While network performance is certainly erratic overall, in certain places >> close to network antennas -- and even some places indoors -- access is >> dependable and fast. For many people, apparently, that's enough. >> >> MetroFi reports the number of people online has climbed from about 4,300 >> a month at the start of the year to more than 17,300 in August. Those >> folks spent an average of nearly 15 hours on the network last month, >> MetroFi says. >> >> But the question remains whether even a growing user base will make the >> project work financially. >> >> An analysis by The Oregonian of MetroFi's business model suggests that, >> if the company's data is accurate, advertising could support the network >> once it's fully built. But returns would likely be modest. >> >> Even if usage rates don't grow, MetroFi could expect about 70,000 regular >> users each month when its network is complete. Assuming the amount of >> time users spend online remains constant, they would generate as many as >> 1 billion page views a year, and at least $5 million in advertising >> revenue annually. >> >> In July, MetroFi reached agreement with Microsoft and a California online >> ad company called JiWire Inc. to supply advertising for the Portland >> network. A recent check of ads running on the Portland network showed a >> number of national advertisers have bought space, including Monster.com, >> Verizon Wireless and Wells Fargo. >> >> Factoring in some unsold advertising space, network operating expenses >> and the $10 million it cost to build the network, MetroFi could break >> even within a few years. >> >> While agreeing generally with that analysis, CEO Haas indicated that his >> company's venture capital backers are looking to do more than break even. >> >> So to supplement its free Wi-Fi network, MetroFi wants to develop two >> other sources of income: selling subscriptions to a faster wireless >> network to business customers and to government agencies. >> >> "To get the investment community to fund these networks it requires all >> three revenue streams," Haas said. >> >> Potential and problems >> >> Just a year ago, cities all over the country envisioned wireless futures. >> Wi-Fi, immensely popular as a convenient way for connecting to the Web in >> homes and cafes, seemed to offer the promise of a low-cost network that >> could make fast Web connections broadly accessible on the cheap. >> >> But things haven't worked out. National interest in municipal Wi-Fi is >> flagging and network performance lagging, said Daryl Schoolar, networking >> analyst for the research firm In-Stat. He said MetroFi and other wireless >> contractors have no choice but to seek alternatives to the public >> networks they originally planned. >> >> Wi-Fi, which has difficulty penetrating walls and reaching past radio >> interference, may never be a credible technology for broad access, >> Schoolar said. >> >> "There seems to be a lot of fluctuation in the performance of these >> networks," he said. >> >> Trying to check the industry's troubled economics, MetroFi has teamed >> with EasyStreet Online Services Inc., a venerable Internet service >> provider based in Beaverton, to start offering more robust wireless >> subscriptions to business customers in Portland. >> >> And earlier this year, MetroFi decided to stop building municipal >> networks unless cities agree to be an "anchor tenant," committing to pay >> a specified amount to subscribe to wireless access. Portland made no such >> commitment, but MetroFi later dropped plans to build networks in Ohio and >> Alaska after cities in those states balked at committing any funds. >> MetroFi still has projects under way in Illinois and California. >> >> Looking at the future >> >> MetroFi says it remains committed to free Wi-Fi in Portland, and the city >> remains > > "Free-as-in-ads" > >> "I think that's a business model that can ultimately work," said Portland >> city Commissioner Dan Saltzman, whose office led efforts to bring >> citywide Wi-Fi to Portland. >> >> Portland will evaluate MetroFi's progress more fully at the end of the >> year, Saltzman said, though he anticipates that MetroFi will continue >> building the network whatever the city concludes. If necessary, Saltzman >> said, he would be open to finding ways to supplement MetroFi with other >> wireless services in areas where coverage is inadequate. >> >> "If we decide this isn't right for us, or vice versa, we'll maybe look at >> some more homegrown options as well," he said. > > Wow. Great! Saltzman++. That's the most political affirmation of > community wireless in Portland that I've heard, in, well, forever. I > guess at some point they have to admit that it works :). > >> Mike Rogoway: 503-294-7699, [email protected], >> http://blog.oregonlive.com/siliconforest/ > > -- > Caleb Phillips > > -- > The Personal Telco Project - http://www.personaltelco.net/ > Donate to PTP: http://www.personaltelco.net/donate > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.personaltelco.net/mailman/listinfo/general/ > Archives: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.wireless.portland.general/ > Etiquette: http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/MailingListEtiquette > -- The Personal Telco Project - http://www.personaltelco.net/ Donate to PTP: http://www.personaltelco.net/donate Un/Subscribe: http://lists.personaltelco.net/mailman/listinfo/general/ Archives: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.wireless.portland.general/ Etiquette: http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/MailingListEtiquette