RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 31, Issue 8

Zac and Felix, and others interested in the distillation.

 Hi. thanks for including the mixmasters in the update.
 I hope the trial run with water went well this weekend!
 I am of the opinion that we can't be too careful with the distillation as
with other steps involving methanol.

  I would ask you to consider 2 more steps before actually testing the
glycerine/ methanol mixture.
  1) trial pure glycerine.  Since Felix mentioned that the heating unit
might burn out, this seems like a good way to test if the unit will stand
the viscosity without adding the methanol variable. ( I am purportedly the
site lead on Saturday, and could pick  up some glycerine to have at the site
if you would like) If this test is a success, do you think that we should
consider a further trial of glycerine plus a less flammable alcohol to test
the distillation?
I would have to read up to know which alcohol could offer this safer profile
and still evaporate at the 150 deg range needed to evaporate methanol. I
would be happy to look some of this up if you would like to procede this
way.

  2) Set up still in location on site that minimizes risk. ( Perhaps you
have already thought about this )  Seth mentioned that there are rules
governing how close methanol can be to other flammables and to people and
work sites as well, I think. Preparing a nonflammable surface and making
sure the hose can reach the still seem like necessary steps.  How are you
envisioning the power supply?
I don't mean to make unnecessary work for anyone and would be happy to help
get answers to these questions and help establish the site.
What do you think? karen



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> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:08:46 -0700
> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
> Subject: [mixmasters] work on methanol still
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> Felix,
>
> Saturday should work since there will be no work party then. I didn't
> read your email before I sent my last one.
> Seth thinks we should start with water to test out the water heater,
> then try adding some methanol to the water next and see if we can
> distill it out of water before trying the goo.
>
> Seth also said we need a 3/8" inside diameter clear PVC hose, ten
> feet, for the recirculation.
>
> Let me know what time Saturday. The earlier the better for me.
>
> P.S. I am responding through the mixmasters mailing list so others
> know what we're doing.
>
> On Sep 20, 2006, at 9:46 PM, Felix Kersting wrote:
>
> > I need to coordinate schedules with my wife.  Saturday may be the
> > better day - I just got back from a 16 hour trip to Boise and got a
> > huge project dumped on me that I need to crank out and may need to
> > be in the office on Friday.
> >
> > Would Saturday work just as well for you and your team?
> >
> > The still is ready to go (in this incarnation).  We just need to
> > try it out with about 10 gallons of goo.  Probably best to mix with
> > water to your favorite ratio since we are using a 240V 3500 W
> > element.  I'm afraid we may burn it out.  Best to try on a dry day
> > and we need to use the genset for power.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Felix
> >
> > Zac Imboden wrote:
> >> Sorry. I sent an email out to existing Co-Product members
> >> regarding tonight's meeting way back on August 31st. It only
> >> occurred to me yesterday that I should post a notice to the entire
> >> cooperative regarding it. The meeting has also been listed on the
> >> website calendar since Sept 1st. From now on, I'll be sure to post
> >> a notice to all members. I'm glad you were at least interested in
> >> attending.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, your name came up. One of our decisions was to
> >> emphatically make ourselves available in any capacity whatsoever
> >> to assist you in getting the methanol still up and running. We
> >> consider it one of our highest priorities.
> >>
> >> So, yes, Friday afternoon I will be there and hopefully other
> >> coproducteers as well. What time on Friday?
> >>
> >> P.S. There's now a coproducts mailing list,
> >> [email protected] You can sign up for it at:
> >> http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/coproducts
> >>
> >> On Sep 19, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Felix Kersting wrote:
> >>
> >>>    one day's notice isn't enough time to be able to schedule to
> >>> be at a meeting - how about a week?
> >>>
> >>> Would anyone be interested in trying the glycerin still on Friday
> >>> afternoon?
> >>>
> >>> Felix
> >>>
> >>> Zac Imboden wrote:
> >>>> 1) Please join us for our next Co-Products Committee Meeting
> >>>> tomorrow night (Tues, Sept 19th, 2006). Details below.
> >>>> 2) The Co-Products committee has a new mailing list address,
> >>>> http://www.gobiodiesel.org/index.php?title=Co-
> >>>> Product_Meeting_9-19-06
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Co-Product Meeting 9-19-06
> >>>>
> >>>> Date: 9/19/06
> >>>> Time: 6:30 PM
> >>>> Place: Tea Chai Te (a teashop)
> >>>> 2223 NE Alberta St. Portland, OR. 97211
> >>>> (right off the 72 bus)
> >>>>
> >>>> We will meet to discuss the results of initial research on some
> >>>> key uses of our glycerin by-product.
> >>>>
> >>>> These uses are:
> >>>>
> >>>> Composting the glycerin by-product
> >>>> Selling a commercial degreaser
> >>>> Selling a bicycle chain lubricant
> >>>> Selling the untreated glycerin by-product to industrial buyers
> >>>> Body Soap
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Zac Imboden
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>> 1534 SE 35th Place
> >>>> Portland, OR
> >>>> 97214
> >>>> 971-563-2477
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Zac Imboden
> >> [email protected]
> >> 1534 SE 35th Place
> >> Portland, OR
> >> 97214
> >> 971-563-2477
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> Zac Imboden
> [email protected]
> 1534 SE 35th Place
> Portland, OR
> 97214
> 971-563-2477
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