RE: Re: arresting sparks in comex

OKOKOK
Brian and Seth have put a lot of work into this stuff already. I have a 
feeling we are retracing and or changing what has already been decided. We 
need to get Brian into the loop. Dare I say "we should have a meeting" with 
Brian, Ron, Zac, Reds and myself. We all need to be on the same page.

Zac, can we keep this type of conversation off the Wiki pages? The 
Republican in me makes me want to decieve the public.


>From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <[email protected]>
>To: R Buckner <r.buckner-/[email protected]>
>CC: Cheryl Edmonds <[email protected]>,GoBiodiesel Mixmasters 
><[email protected]>,[email protected]
>Subject: [mixmasters] Re: arresting sparks in comex
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:29:38 -0700
>
>
>On Oct 11, 2006, at 11:06 AM, R Buckner wrote:
>
>>Zac,
>>I really do not understand what is going on here concening the  electrical 
>>and the way members are communicating with each other.   It is very 
>>difficult to respond to each concern when people are  communicating 
>>through virtual digital means.  Who is in charge? Who  makes the final 
>>decision on how something is done? How many people  do I have to explain 
>>myself to before I repair the relay/contactor?
>
>What process would you prefer? The General Manager is in charge of  day to 
>day business operations (as stated in the By-Laws). Because  there isn't 
>currently a GM, I believe leads for each committee are  coordinating with 
>the board to make daily decisions. Brian can  correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>If you prefer, you can just work with Thom Tricola and he can  coordinate 
>with the board and felix regarding making decisions.
>
>>
>>If indeed the comex is a Class I, Division 1 or Division 2  Hazardous 
>>Location, then all the eletrical in the comex will  probably have to be 
>>redone.
>>Class I locations are described as something like "for all voltages  
>>in....hazardous locations where fire or explosion hazards may exist  due 
>>to flammable gases or vapors or flammable liquids".  These  locations 
>>require special explosion proof and spark proof  enclosures for all the 
>>electrical.  Very expensive.  I think Felix  understands this.  I talked 
>>with him briefly about it.
>
>It is my understanding that the current set-up was what was done to  get us 
>making fuel quickly. We are moving as quickly as we can to a  Phase II 
>processor that will address larger safety and efficiency  concerns. In the 
>meantime, we have to do the best we can. I believe  moving that one relay 
>away from the reactors will be an important  safety upgrade.
>>
>>My understanding is to get the system up and working immediately to  make 
>>fuel.  I believe bringing in an city inspector on site is  going to open 
>>up a can of worms.  Are we prepared for this?  Sound  like a Catch-22.
>
>As long as they don't actually shut us down, I think it would be  important 
>to get their recommendations and feedback. We know there is  a possibility 
>that we are not meeting code with our current set-up.  If you feel 
>uncomfortable with that, we should address your specific  concerns and 
>decide whether you want to do the work. I don't think  you should get 
>involved if you feel uncomfortable about doing so,  however your 
>recommendations are invaluable feedback to us and will  help us make 
>decisions on how to proceed, obviously.
>>
>>I can make the system work with a minimal amout of effort and  materials.
>
>That is what we're looking for *while still reaching forward as much  as is 
>feasible with time and work constraints*. How much is one  explosion proof 
>box roughly if we can't move the relay?
>>
>>We probably need to put a notice on site warning people of the  potential 
>>dangers involved working close to or inside the comex.   How much methanol 
>>gas floats around in the comex?  What amount of  concentration is needed 
>>to cause an explosion?
>
>That is an excellent idea. I'm ccing your email to the safety  committee to 
>take action on. We are working on signage for the site.
>
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone  call 
>>rates.
>
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