Re: Re: Plastic oil jug recycling
Zac Imboden <[email protected]> Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:55:10 -0800
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I had sent an email to Peggy and Sheri regarding them getting together and then contacting Metro South. I haven't heard anything from them, so I assume nothing has transpired. If Peggy and/or Sheri are unavailable, I will call Metro South and set up a time to meet for a preliminary chat. Thanks for the reminder. On Oct 30, 2006, at 11:25 PM, Brian Jamison wrote: > I know a lot is going on, has someone stepped up to this? Should we > just add it to the Open Tasks if not? I don't want to lose this in > the > shuffle. > > -B > > On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 11:12 -0700, Zac Imboden wrote: >> On Sep 25, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Enrique Vargas wrote: >> >> >> >>> Zach, >>> >>> >>> My name is Enrique Vargas and I represent Metro South Hazardous >>> Waste. >>> >>> >>> I am contacting you to gather information concerning disposal of bio >>> diesel waste. This weekend we had two represenitives form the Go >>> Bio Diesel organization drop off some oil sludge. I was speaking >>> with Cheryl Edmonds and she mentioned your group had been in contact >>> with a company that will dispose of your surplus oil and plastic >>> containers. Right now we send our oil sludge for inceneration. If >>> you had any Leads on more eco friendly disposal options, your help >>> would be greatly appreciated. I thank you for your time and will be >>> looking forward to discussing this in greater detail. >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> Enrique Vargas >>> Hazardous Waste Technician >>> Metro South >>> 503-655-0330 >> >> >> It sounds like its possible they are willing to work with us on a >> solution. I forwarded this email to the General Discussion mailing >> list about a month ago. In hindsight, probably not such a good idea. >> >> >> 1) I recommend we get Bill Dodds the phone tree and have him call >> specifically for getting some hands for this task. They can work >> on it >> as a member of the coproducts committee. >> 2) In the meantime someone needs to follow up with a call to Enrique >> unless, Cheryl, you've already done that. Let's decide who that's >> going to be today if possible. I'll send him an email right now to >> just touch base. >> >> >> Some things to consider: >> >> >> 3) Can this sludge be further processed in fuel? How much fuel can we >> squeeze out of it? >> 4) A lot of this sludge could be used to make soap, assuming it has a >> high volume of free fatty acids in it. Maybe this sludge could be the >> raw material for our Quarterly meeting Soap making booth. ;-) >> 5) Can we continue to stock pile it until we find our solution? >> 6) Don't forget that the option is still on the table to neutralize >> coproducts and turn them into compost. We just need to work with the >> city on that. This option needs to be explored. It sounds like >> coproducts need to get busy on this one. >> >> >> Good thing I'm having a new members meeting for CoProducts tomorrow >> night,eh? ;-) >> >> >> **BRIAN,*** >> >> >> Can you export members with phone #s from the database? I will >> magically produce a new phone tree list and get it to Bill, >> pending an >> agreement from Cheryl, Pete and Eli on going forward with this >> approach. >> >> On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Kramer, Peter wrote: >> >>> Cheryl, I couldn’t agree more. Sounds like you are quite involved >>> now with Mixmaster, waste water, and other aspects of the Co-op. >>> >>> >>> >>> Eli or Zac, do you have a suggestion for who within your committee >>> might be a good candidate to take on the lead for coordinating our 5 >>> gal oil jug recycling? No one comes to mind for me right now. As >>> Cheryl mentioned, someone less involved would be great! We just >>> need to ask these people to step up and I’m sure they will! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> From: Cheryl Edmonds [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 AM >>> To: Kramer, Peter >>> Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Pete, >>> >>> I will contact the recycler again and see what's happening. >>> >>> I would like to see someone in the coop take this project on and be >>> the lead for it. Recruiting that person from the co-products or >>> grease master group might be a possibility. I don't think there's a >>> lack of enthusiasm in the coop membership...people just need to be >>> invited and then 'gently' encouraged to take a role. >>> >>> Any ideas on who could do this role? >>> >>> C. >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> From: "Kramer, Peter" <[email protected]> >>> To: Cheryl Edmonds <[email protected]> >>> CC: Seth Moody <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator >>> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:05:11 -0500 >>> >>> Cheryl, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks so much for the GREAT re-cap! So basically, what I >>> am hearing is: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. We will be taking our relatively clean, empty >>> plastic jugs to your recycling source (once they are >>> ready for us); in the mean-time, just need to store >>> the empty containers. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. We currently have some sludge buckets that we need >>> to figure out what to do with >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. We have some large quantities of sludge at the >>> bottom of 275 gal totes that we will eventually need >>> to do something with >>> >>> >>> >>> Have you heard from the recycling center in the last couple >>> weeks?.. Hope they know we would really benefit from their >>> services immediately! Second, any thoughts or know any >>> resources for taking our sludge? This could be something we >>> discuss with others (throw out on bio-d list). >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks again for all your efforts! >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> From: Cheryl Edmonds [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:05 PM >>> To: Kramer, Peter; [email protected]; >>> wheelerk-/[email protected]; [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected]; macl9522-/[email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Pete, >>> >>> Just a quick update to the oil buckets/containers. >>> >>> Ron and I took empty stacked buckets and 5 gal buckets full >>> of oil sludge to the transfer station on Saturday afternoon. >>> We intended to put the stacked buckets into the garbage and >>> turn the 5 gal oil sludge buckets over to the hazardous >>> waste division. >>> >>> We learned two very important things: >>> >>> Garbage disposal is a min. of 17$ for the first 240 lbs. We >>> didn't have 240 lbs worth, so we brought the buckets back to >>> the site to be combined with other garbage to meet the >>> minimum. We also bought cat litter to include in these >>> buckets because NO (NONE)) oil-y residue is allowed even in >>> stuff headed for the garbage division. We bought 80 lbs of >>> cat litter ...used 20 lbs ($2.00) to soak up the residue and >>> put the other 60 lbs in the shed. Now those empty 5 gal >>> buckets are ready to go back to the garbage division. >>> >>> The 5 gal oil sludge buckets are a PROBLEM. They cannot be >>> placed in the garbage. They have to be dealt with via the >>> hazardous waste division; the division views these as a >>> commercial waste problem because the coop has accepted and >>> inherited a waste problem from the original user of the >>> virgin oil (our restaurants). The bottomline is a 5.50$ per >>> GALLON (yes that's right!!) fee to dispose of these buckets >>> of oil sludge. Do the math....bad news. >>> >>> The Oregon City transfer station did take about 10 of our 5 >>> gal oil sludge as a gesture of goodwill. But they called me >>> today with the message that this coop is considered a >>> COMMERCIAL operation and will be charged the 5.50$ per >>> gallon to dispose of any oil sludge!! Period. >>> >>> We have located a recylcer who will eventually be able to >>> take our dirty containers as they are (the milk container >>> style). But that could be as much as a year off before they >>> can begin to pick them up. >>> >>> I don't know which committe is supposed to be working on >>> this, but this issue needs to be explored more. >>> >>> In the meantime, the empty buckets are sitting on the >>> palette, stacked and ready to be combined with other site >>> garbage for disposal. And the few 5 gal oil sludge buckets >>> need to be dealt with. >>> >>> We had hoped for a simple, low cost recycling solution. The >>> metro transfer station isn't IT!! >>> >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________ >>> From: "Kramer, Peter" <[email protected]> >>> To: karen kruse <[email protected]>, >>> wheelerk-/[email protected], [email protected] >>> CC: Seth Moody <[email protected]>, >>> [email protected], Cameron >>> <macl9522-/[email protected]>, Bill Dodds >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator >>> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:00:26 -0500 >>> >>> Karen, >>> >>> >>> >>> An update on what happened: >>> >>> We didn’t feel making the wall would provide >>> benefit for flooding purposes so very little was brought to the >>> back of the site. Concerns that the blackberries would back >>> there would just grow over the ‘wall’ and create the same kind of >>> problem. We started to use the bigger chucks as a base for the >>> slab next to the container. I have a listing out on Craigslist >>> for free concrete. We also have a suggestion from Jeff Brandt for >>> taking all the concrete to Sunderland Yard. Its in NE Portland >>> on 33rd right near the airport (map: http://maps.yahoo.com/ >>> maps_result?addr=9325+NE+Sunderland+Avenue&csz=Portland%2C >>> +OR&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=), so not the closest, but it is >>> setup to recycle all the concrete, which is ideally what we want >>> to do with it. I will try to find a ph number for them to call >>> and coord. So a focus, whatever we do with the concrete next Sat >>> should be getting people with big trucks who can do a couple >>> hauls of the concrete. >>> >>> >>> >>> We sold 200 gal of WVO (Bruce, recent new member, >>> lives in Washugal, has his own processor). Still >>> having problems with our WVO pump holding a prime. >>> >>> >>> >>> Felix and Zac were working on the methanol recovery >>> still; they will have to update you on that one. >>> >>> >>> >>> Recent new member (Ron, I think is the name) made a >>> run to Metro with most of our buckets filled with >>> the nasty, bottom sludge. There was some concern >>> that Metro may not take it. Please let me know if >>> you hear that there was a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill Dodds is going to make efforts to get to the >>> site soon to help pick up more brush. >>> >>> >>> >>> The plan for next week is to again get rid of >>> concrete and brush. MUST get people to show up with >>> big trucks! I might be able to get someone to go >>> down and chip the brush up. Not 100% sure though. >>> >>> >>> >>> Oily jugs: >>> >>> As you saw in the re-cap above, we removed a bulk of >>> the 5 gal buckets that had all the bottom sludge >>> from a year’s worth of scrapping jugs. As to our >>> current stock of empty, oily jugs, sounds like in >>> talking with Cheryl this Sat, that we are still on >>> track to have this company (Cheryl, help me out >>> here, what’s the name?) come take away all of our >>> plastic. Its highly desired type of plastic that’s >>> good for recycling. Just waiting on them to set up >>> their operations to handle plastic as messy as ours >>> will be. So right now, just need to store our empty >>> jugs somewhere on site that won’t cause any spills >>> or impede the gen 2 processor development. >>> >>> >>> >>> That portable garage, how big is it?.. I think >>> that’s a great idea! >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________ >>> From: karen kruse [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:28 PM >>> To: Kramer, Peter; wheelerk-/[email protected]; Matt >>> Stein; [email protected] >>> Cc: Seth Moody; [email protected]; Cameron; >>> Bill Dodds >>> Subject: RE: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Pete and all, >>> >>> >>> I can attempt to lead on the 30th. >>> >>> >>> How far did you get moving the rubble this >>> weekend? >>> >>> >>> Is the plan to build the fence on the back of >>> the property or remove it? >>> >>> >>> If removal is the plan for the concrete or the >>> brush, where are we removing it to? >>> >>> >>> In terms of reimbursement, should I ask for >>> members to record their expenditures ( to the dump >>> for instance) then send requests to the board as >>> Brian mentioned? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What is the current plan for the oily 5 gallon >>> jugs? Are we still washing them? >>> >>> >>> There was a collection of approximately 20 , >>> 5 gallon jugs with apparently unusable kitchen waste >>> near the shed. >>> >>> >>> Is the plan to remove this , containers and >>> all to the dump? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I will check the Task List for suggestions / >>> answers to the above questions as I believe we are >>> trying to use that as our organizing tool. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> An aside, I saw a Fred Meyer ad in today's paper >>> for a small portable garage made of heavy plastic >>> for approx 150dollars. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone else think this might be a nice >>> structure to have on site for shelter this winter? >>> It could be secured I believe from the wind and it >>> is designed to withstand rain. If there is interest >>> I will suggest it to the board. >>> >>> >>> kk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kramer, Peter >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:41 AM >>> To: wheelerk-/[email protected]; Karen Kruse; >>> Matt Stein; [email protected] >>> Cc: Seth Moody; [email protected]; >>> Cameron; Bill Dodds >>> Subject: Gobiodiesel Coop Site Coordinator >>> >>> >>> Hi All! >>> >>> >>> >>> We have lots going on right now and even >>> more that needs to get done! The plan is >>> that we all can stay up-to-speed on what has >>> been done and what still needs to happen >>> with the co-op relative to the site >>> specifically. Right now we have a handful >>> of wknds covered, but still have some holes. >>> Sept 30 and Oct 7 are open. Karen or Peggy, >>> can either of you fill those spots?!... >>> >>> >>> >>> What needs to be done?.. >>> >>> 1. MUST remove concrete pile; either >>> construct wall on end of site >>> (parallel to river near the >>> blackberry bush line) or have it all >>> removed >>> 2. MUST remove brush piles >>> 3. on-going oil jug empty/clean/removal >>> 4. finish the work on the oil jug empty >>> system [oil separation rack] (Bill >>> D, Seth, or Greg can fill us in on >>> what needs to be done) >>> 5. find others who would be good >>> candidates for Site Coord position >>> >>> >>> >>> There are a handful of other items, I just >>> need to get with Seth and others to >>> formalize them and prioritize. >>> >>> >>> >>> This Sat I will be taking the lead as site >>> coord and our sole focus will be the removal >>> of that rubble. Lots of manual labor. If >>> ANY of you can make it this Sat, that would >>> be a HUGE help. Thank in advance! Please >>> bring any wheel barrels you may have access >>> to. If anyone has access to a pickup and/or >>> trailer, that would be great as well for >>> removal of brush. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks to you all for your continued >>> involvement and leadership. That’s exactly >>> what this co-op desperately needs! >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Kramer, LEED™ AP >>> >>> >>> >>> BAS Sales Engineer >>> >>> TRANEOREGON >>> >>> 503-620-8031 >>> >>> DIR 503-431-2541 | FAX 503-639-1454 >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> www.TraneOregon.com >>> <http://www.TraneOregon.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Zac Imboden >> [email protected] >> 1534 SE 35th Place >> Portland, OR >> 97214 >> 971-563-2477 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mixmasters mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > -- > Brian Jamison > President, Board of Directors > GoBiodiesel Cooperative > > _______________________________________________ > mixmasters mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Zac Imboden [email protected] 1534 SE 35th Place Portland, OR 97214 971-563-2477