Re: Soap
Felix Kersting <[email protected]> Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:36:49 -0700
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1300220943== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030406090206050002010507" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030406090206050002010507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The soap sounds cool - we have talked about this for a long time. We=20 /had/ - currently can't find it - a reflux still in the conex which is=20 great for getting the methanol and water separated. Our first try=20 failed as we Zac & I tried to distill WVO instead of glycerin since the = barrels weren't marked. I will admit that it did a great job getting=20 the water out of the WVO! Several folx at the coop have expressed interest from time to time. I=20 have been wanting to try distilling small batches with hot water to=20 regulate the heat input. I may try it now at home since I have recently = scored a water heater! After that, automation is the ticket so it could = operate unattended.... Felix mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org wrote: > Send mixmasters mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of mixmasters digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Glycerol / Distillation Experiment Update (Jeff Brandt) > 2. RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8 (Bill Dodds) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:54:48 -0700 > From: "Jeff Brandt" <jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> > Subject: [mixmasters] Glycerol / Distillation Experiment Update > To: "GoBiodiesel Mixmasters" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <148f83260709181454v39e82dc8l6da4c2ecdc00e16c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > Dave and I have been playing with side products from the waste Glycerol= =2E The > two most useful/profitable things you could make would be propylene gly= col > or soap. The downside is that both require distillation to some degree.= > > To make soap you will need to remove the Methanol and water from the > glycerol cocktail and filter the left over glycerol. To make our first = batch > of pure glycerol soap we just boiled it all away, we didn't care about > reclaiming the Methanol for our experiment. > > We added 38.5g of NaOH to 1 litre of warm water and then added it to 1 > gallon of our clean glycerol. After stirring for around 20 minutes we p= oured > the solution into plastic storage bins and left stand for a couple of d= ays. > > Then we removed the soap from our storage bins onto wax paper and cut t= he > slab into 3x5"ish bars. The one gallon of glycerol produced around 40-4= 5 > bars of nice looking reddish translucent soap. > > We are still waiting for the soap to finish curing, it is supposed to t= ake a > couple of weeks. > > The only problem with making soap is that every time we make biodiesel = we > produce about 70 gallons of glycerol cocktail. About 27 gallons are act= ually > glycerol, the rest is a combination of Methanol (18-22 gallons), water > (16-18 gallons) and soap (5-8 gallons). > > Currently I only know how to split these up with distillation. A good > distillation setup requires a balance between input heat, vapour rate, > condenser efficiency and atmospheric pressure. > > In our case we didn't really mess around with the atmospheric pressure.= Our > heating source is fixed to 5000 watts so we focused on vapour rate and > condenser efficiency. So sum up our experience, 5000 watts in 275 gallo= ns > produces such a low vapour rate that you could use a pop bottle in ice = for > your condenser instead of the water cooled counter flow one we built. W= e > just need more energy to really distill faster. If you read about makin= g > ethanol you quickly find out that the standard for heating is usually a= > propane burner or wood stove. A standard burner is usually 100,000 btu = or > more or around 30,000 watts. > > The only other option is to reduce the atmospheric pressure inside the > vessel so that less input heat is required. We are currently experiment= ing > with this, and will update with more later. The problem we are encounte= ring > is that it is often difficult to find a large vacuum rated container. > > Making propylene glycol just requires that you add caustic to the glyce= rol > and distill the entire solution. However glycerol has a boiling point o= f > over 380F. So if it took alot of energy to distill out the Methanol. Ju= st > imagine how much you would need to distill glycerol. Once again, a good= > vacuum distillation setup would help. > The good news is that a 4x8' piece of plywood with a 2" border around i= t can > easily hold a 20 gallon batch of glycerol soap. However it needs to be > stored in a cool dry place. Then the only catch is packaging and > distributing 1000 bars of soap every couple of days. All of this for ju= st > 2200 gallons of biodiesel production per month! Just imagine if we were= > making 2200 gallons a day. > > -- > Jeff Brandt > Sun Break Biofuels, LLC > http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com > mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org <jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.osourcery.com/pipermail/mixmasters/attachments/200709= 18/13cc3072/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:15:39 +0000 > From: Bill Dodds <[email protected]> > Subject: [mixmasters] RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > > To: Mich N. or Tamar or Dave or whoever is in charge of the list, I'm s= ad to inform you that I will begin attending school on Monday next. And = so as of today I will no longer be able to help with the washing for some= time in the future, depending on the demands of my classes. If things c= hange (like if I flunk or something) I will let you know. It has been f= un working with all and I wish you all the best of luck. I will be back = when I can. Sincerely Bill Dodds > =20 >> From: mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> Subject: mixmasters Dige= st, Vol 43, Issue 8> To: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 18 Se= p 2007 12:09:50 -0700> > Send mixmasters mailing list submissions to> mix= [email protected]> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World = Wide Web, visit> http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters= > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> mixmaster= [email protected]> > You can reach the person managing the li= st at> mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> > When replying, please edit= your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of mixmaste= rs digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. RE: scheduling and mixing (More,= Tamar)> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:45:22 -0700> From: "M= ore, Tamar" <[email protected]>> Subject: RE: [mixmasters] scheduling and mixin= g> To: "GoBiodiesel Mixmasters" <[email protected]>,> <gobio= [email protected]>> Message-ID:> <3B365BCC4B66B1448EE9DB0F62EE7= 4C9A397DB-UuqI2Ef6YO7yEeAt+f1n3/[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso= -8859-1"> > Hi,> > a quick email (Scout is sleeping! woohoo!)> > First, T= HANKS Jeff. I would be happy to talk/email with you with any helpful info= rmation, what we had been doing etc. It just might take a while, as I see= m to be able to get about half a thing done a day...> > menawhile, here a= re a few points of information:> > The mixmaster calendar/scheduling page= http://www.gobiodiesel.org/index.php?title=3DMixmaster_calendar does hav= e most (but not all) the phone numbers and email addresses of the active = mixmasters. There are a few new mixmasters that have not been added to th= at list, and some inactive ones that may want to come back to the fold...= > > The web pages also need updating to reflect the new status quo, inclu= ding Jeff as contact, new procedures, Dave and Jeff's presence, etc.. The= calendar, if it will still be used, also needs updating. I had been copy= ing past dates into an archive file and deleting them from the active cal= endar. > > Mich Nelson, the new members coordinator, also needs to know t= he new plan so she can send new mixers to the right place. I think gobiod= [email protected] is the right address, but I don't have time to= check right now. I am including that in the recipient list for this emai= l, so we'll find out I guess.> > ok, I hear stirring,> > good luck everyo= ne! see you soon...> > Tamar> -----Original Message-----> From: mixmaster= [email protected] on behalf of Jeff Brandt> Sent: Mon 9/17/20= 07 1:21 PM> To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters> Subject: Re: [mixmasters] schedul= ing and mixing> > ok .. I'm getting on the ball today on getting things o= rganized ...> > So first and foremost .. phone numbers ..> > If you are i= nterested in washing fuel, please email me personally with> your phone nu= mber as to not publish it on the open forum.> > Email your phone number t= o jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> > You can also include a request for when y= ou would like to wash.> > Kristi .. I'm putting you down on my list for t= his Friday between> 2-6pm (tentative). Please send me your number asap an= d I'll contact> you with more details.> > --> Jeff Brandt> Sun Break Biof= uels, LLC> http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com> mailto:jeffb@sunbreakbiofuels= =2Ecom> > > On 9/17/07, kristi schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:> = > I can work this friday the 21st from 2-6pm....anyone else???> > kristi>= >> >> > On 9/15/07, Pete Kramer <pete_kramer2-/[email protected] > wrote:> > >> >= >> > >> > > Jeff/Dave,> > >> > > This is HUGE! Thanks much for taking on= this leadership role.> > >> > > What I would ask all the other mixmaster= s/washers is to help Dave/Jeff in> > the meantime, until they get some tr= action, is to schedule yourself for a> > particular day/time. All you nee= d to do is go to the website:> > http://www.gobiodiesel.org/index.php?tit= le=3DMixmaster_calendar#Schedule_Fuelmaking> > and edit the page to add y= ourself to a particular day/time. Knowing that> > we need min of 2 people= for washing, if several people get their names out> > there for some day= s, then others can come back and find a day/time that> > works for them a= nd pair up.> > >> > > I have seen/heard the frustration from some who rea= lly want to continue> > the momentum, we just need to communicate our ava= ilability. Once Dave/Jeff> > are moving with the scheduling, they can hel= p this process along, like Tamar> > was doing for the past months.> > >> = > > If you have any questions/problems with editing the website, feel fre= e to> > contact me.> > >> > > Right now, for the remainder of Sept, I am = only avail Wed, Sept 26.> > Hopefully others can pair up before then to g= et some washing done.> > >> > > Thanks.> > >> > > Pete> > >> > >> > > ---= -- Original Message ----> > > From: Jeff Brandt < jeffb@sunbreakbiofuels.= com>> > > To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <[email protected] >> >= > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:35:54 PM> > > Subject: Re: [mixma= sters] scheduling and mixing> > >> > >> > > I spoke with Brian on the pho= ne yesterday about this.> > >> > > Dave and I have discussed this and we = are willing to take over> > > managing the scheduling for a couple of mon= ths. This will also get us> > > more familiar with the wash process and c= oordinate processing more as> > > to not overload the co-op site with bio= diesel.> > >> > > The good news is that besides taking over scheduling; D= ave and I> > > (mostly Dave) would like to come down and be the second pe= rson on the> > > wash crew. This should make scheduling easier for a day = or two during> > > the week since only one person will need to help him. = I state again ..> > > Dave will only be able to show up once, maybe twice= during week for> > > wash duty. The rest of the time he will try to coor= dinate people.> > >> > > I need to get Dave setup on the lists and active= in the mixmaster> > > discussions. I will also need to get a list of pho= ne numbers and email> > > addresses for everyone.> > >> > > Dave and I wi= ll also need someone (Zac perhaps) to get us trained on> > > the washing = system.> > >> > > Thanks Tamar for being so proactive on this, I'll be co= ntacting you> > > later for some additional pointers.> > >> > >> > >> > >= > > > --> > > Jeff Brandt> > > Sun Break Biofuels, LLC> > > http://www.su= nbreakbiofuels.com> > > mailto: jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> > >> > >> > >= > > > On 9/12/07, More, Tamar <[email protected]> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > >= >> > > > Yes, I sent an email a couple weeks ago to that effect when it = got close> > to the wire, baby wise. Scout was born August 27 (5 lb 8 oz)= , we are all> > well but don't even have time to update the web site or a= nswer more than an> > email or phone call a day... Hopefully you can all = pull together to keep> > things going without us for a while!> > > >> > >= > If someone can take on the scheduling until we are functional again,> = > that would be great. Meanwhile, what I had suggested (and if someoen ca= n at> > least update the website to remind people fo this, that too would= be very> > helpful) is:> > > >> > > > Use the listserv AND the calendar = to let people know you want to make> > fuel and when (both date AND time)= > > > > Check the calendar occasionally, but do use the listserv as well = since> > that way people will get an email with news rather than have to = check for it> > on the site> > > > If you hear of someone needing a partn= er and are available, contact them> > by phone or email to let them know = AND update the calendar (contact info is> > on the calendar site)> > > > = If you do not have a partner, email the list and/or call some of the> > o= ther mixmasters on the list to find one.> > > > If you see a slot on the = calendar with two or more poeple and want to> > work then, do still conta= ct them to make sure there has not been a last> > minute change. If there= is just one person for a slot, contact them to make> > sure they know th= e session is a go!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If anyone does have the ti= me and energy to take over what I or Zac were> > doing, that would be ext= remely helpful. I was essentially facilitating the> > above - calling peo= ple to find partners for mixmasters to fit their schedule> > by calling a= nd emailing requests, sending reminders before sessions, and> > trying to= deal with last minute changes (or missed sessions); If you do take> > th= is on, let Mich Nelson (new members coordinator) know so she can forward>= > new names and contacts to you. Zac's role is harder to fill since it w= as> > coordinating the work and doing training, but if anyone has gotten>= > experienced and confident enough and has time, you can talk to Zac abo= ut> > what and how to do it.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks everyone! have f= un!> > > >> > > > Tamar (and Zac and Scout)> > > >> > > > -----Original M= essage-----> > > > From: mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org on behalf= > > of Jordan Kohn> > > > Sent: Tue 9/11/2007 10:54 PM> > > > To: mixmast= [email protected]> > > > Subject: [mixmasters] scheduling and mixin= g> > > >> > > > hey all,> > > > i was wondering what the deal was with sc= heduling, since the website> > > > hasn't been updated in a while. i'm gu= essing that tamar and zac are> > > > taking care of the newborn, and are = thus unable to manage it. has> > > > someone volunteered to take over? ha= ve people been meeting down there> > > > in the past week and a half or s= o? i want to make some fuel, damnit!> > > > who's with me...?> > > > chee= rs,> > > > jordan> > > >> > > > _________________________________________= ______> > > > mixmasters mailing list> > > > mixmasters-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZMXXUOn6P5/[email protected]= om> > > >> > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters> > = > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > = mixmasters mailing list> > > > [email protected]> > > >> > h= ttp://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters> > > >> > > >> > = > _______________________________________________> > > mixmasters mailing= list> > > [email protected]> > > http://lists.gobiodiesel.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters> > >> > >> > > ___________________________= _____> > Building a website is a piece of cake.> > > Yahoo! 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We <i>had</i> - currently can't find it - a reflux still in the conex which is great for getting the methanol and water separated. Our first try failed as we Zac & I tried to distill WVO instead of glycerin since the barrels weren't marked. I will admit that it did a great job getting the water out of the WVO!<br> <br> Several folx at the coop have expressed interest from time to time. I have been wanting to try distilling small batches with hot water to regulate the heat input. I may try it now at home since I have recently scored a water heater! After that, automation is the ticket so it could operate unattended....<br> <br> Felix<br> <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a> wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:20070919041618.39644194F9-IcuUqqHpL2957eYmF0pcDQ@public.gmane.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Send mixmasters mailing list submissions to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mixmasters digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Glycerol / Distillation Experiment Update (Jeff Brandt) 2. RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8 (Bill Dodds) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:54:48 -0700 From: "Jeff Brandt" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org"><jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org></a> Subject: [mixmasters] Glycerol / Distillation Experiment Update To: "GoBiodiesel Mixmasters" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:148f83260709181454v39e82dc8l6da4c2ecdc00e16c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org"><148f83260709181454v39e82dc8l6da4c2ecdc00e16c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dave and I have been playing with side products from the waste Glycerol. The two most useful/profitable things you could make would be propylene glycol or soap. The downside is that both require distillation to some degree. To make soap you will need to remove the Methanol and water from the glycerol cocktail and filter the left over glycerol. To make our first batch of pure glycerol soap we just boiled it all away, we didn't care about reclaiming the Methanol for our experiment. We added 38.5g of NaOH to 1 litre of warm water and then added it to 1 gallon of our clean glycerol. After stirring for around 20 minutes we poured the solution into plastic storage bins and left stand for a couple of days. Then we removed the soap from our storage bins onto wax paper and cut the slab into 3x5"ish bars. The one gallon of glycerol produced around 40-45 bars of nice looking reddish translucent soap. We are still waiting for the soap to finish curing, it is supposed to take a couple of weeks. The only problem with making soap is that every time we make biodiesel we produce about 70 gallons of glycerol cocktail. About 27 gallons are actually glycerol, the rest is a combination of Methanol (18-22 gallons), water (16-18 gallons) and soap (5-8 gallons). Currently I only know how to split these up with distillation. A good distillation setup requires a balance between input heat, vapour rate, condenser efficiency and atmospheric pressure. In our case we didn't really mess around with the atmospheric pressure. Our heating source is fixed to 5000 watts so we focused on vapour rate and condenser efficiency. So sum up our experience, 5000 watts in 275 gallons produces such a low vapour rate that you could use a pop bottle in ice for your condenser instead of the water cooled counter flow one we built. We just need more energy to really distill faster. If you read about making ethanol you quickly find out that the standard for heating is usually a propane burner or wood stove. A standard burner is usually 100,000 btu or more or around 30,000 watts. The only other option is to reduce the atmospheric pressure inside the vessel so that less input heat is required. We are currently experimenting with this, and will update with more later. The problem we are encountering is that it is often difficult to find a large vacuum rated container. Making propylene glycol just requires that you add caustic to the glycerol and distill the entire solution. However glycerol has a boiling point of over 380F. So if it took alot of energy to distill out the Methanol. Just imagine how much you would need to distill glycerol. Once again, a good vacuum distillation setup would help. The good news is that a 4x8' piece of plywood with a 2" border around it can easily hold a 20 gallon batch of glycerol soap. However it needs to be stored in a cool dry place. Then the only catch is packaging and distributing 1000 bars of soap every couple of days. All of this for just 2200 gallons of biodiesel production per month! Just imagine if we were making 2200 gallons a day. -- Jeff Brandt Sun Break Biofuels, LLC <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com">http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org">mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org"><jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org></a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.osourcery.com/pipermail/mixmasters/attachments/20070918/13cc3072/attachment.html">http://lists.osourcery.com/pipermail/mixmasters/attachments/20070918/13cc3072/attachment.html</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:15:39 +0000 From: Bill Dodds <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> Subject: [mixmasters] RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8 To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Mich N. or Tamar or Dave or whoever is in charge of the list, I'm sad to inform you that I will begin attending school on Monday next. And so as of today I will no longer be able to help with the washing for some time in the future, depending on the demands of my classes. If things change (like if I flunk or something) I will let you know. It has been fun working with all and I wish you all the best of luck. I will be back when I can. Sincerely Bill Dodds </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a>> Subject: mixmasters Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:09:50 -0700> > Send mixmasters mailing list submissions to> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters</a>> or, via email, send a mes sage with subject or body 'help' to> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a>> > You can reach the person managing the list at> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of mixmasters digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. RE: scheduling and mixing (More, Tamar)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:45:22 -0700> From: "More, Tamar" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>> Subject: RE: [mixmasters] scheduling and mixing> To: "GoBiodiesel Mixmasters" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><mi [email protected]></a>,> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>> Message-ID:> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:3B365BCC4B66B1448EE9DB0F62EE74C9A397DB-UuqI2Ef6YO7yEeAt+f1n3/[email protected]"><3B365BCC4B66B1448EE9DB0F62EE74C9A397DB-UuqI2Ef6YO7yEeAt+f1n3/[email protected]></a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi,> > a quick email (Scout is sleeping! woohoo!)> > First, THANKS Jeff. I would be happy to talk/email with you with any helpful information, what we had been doing etc. It just might take a while, as I seem to be able to get about half a thing done a day...> > menawhile, here are a few points of information:> > The mixmaster calendar/scheduling page <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gobiodiesel.org/index.php?title=Mixmaster_calendar">http://www.gobiodiesel.org/index.php?title=Mixmaster_calendar</a> does have most (bu t not all) the phone numbers and email addresses of the active mixmasters. There are a few new mixmasters that have not been added to that list, and some inactive ones that may want to come back to the fold...> > The web pages also need updating to reflect the new status quo, including Jeff as contact, new procedures, Dave and Jeff's presence, etc.. The calendar, if it will still be used, also needs updating. I had been copying past dates into an archive file and deleting them from the active calendar. > > Mich Nelson, the new members coordinator, also needs to know the new plan so she can send new mixers to the right place. I think <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> is the right address, but I don't have time to check right now. I am including that in the recipient list for this email, so we'll find out I guess.> > ok, I hear stirring,> > good luck everyone! see you s oon...> > Tamar> -----Original Message-----> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org </a> on behalf of Jeff Brandt> Sent: Mon 9/17/2007 1:21 PM> To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters> Subject: Re: [mixmasters] scheduling and mixing> > ok .. I'm getting on the ball today on getting things organized ...> > So first and foremost .. phone numbers ..> > If you are interested in washing fuel, please email me personally with> your phone number as to not publish it on the open forum.> > Email your phone number to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org">jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</a>> > You can also include a request for when you would like to wash.> > Kristi .. I'm putting you down on my list for this Friday between> 2-6pm (tentative). Please send me your number asap and I'll contact> you with more det ails.> > --> Jeff Brandt> Sun Break Biofuels, LLC> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com">http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com</a>> <a class="mo z-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org">mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</a>> > > On 9/17/07, kristi schaefer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:> > I can work this friday the 21st from 2-6pm....anyone else???> > kristi> >> >> > On 9/15/07, Pete Kramer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pete_kramer2-/[email protected]"><pete_kramer2-/[email protected] ></a> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Jeff/Dave,> > >> > > This is HUGE! Thanks much for taking on this leadership role.> > >> > > What I would ask all the other mixmasters/washers is to help Dave/Jeff in> > the meantime, until they get some traction, is to schedule yourself for a> > particular day/time. All you need to do is go to the website:> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gobiodiesel.or g/index.php?title=Mixmaster_calendar#Schedule_Fuelmaking">http://www.gobiodiesel.org/index.php?title=Mixmaster_calendar#Schedule_Fuelmaking</a>> > and edit the page to add yourself to a particular day/time. Knowing that> > we need min of 2 people for washing, if several people get their names out> > there for some days, then others can come back and find a day/time that> > works for them and pair up.> > >> > > I have seen/heard the frustration from some who really want to continue> > the momentum, we just need to communicate our availability. Once Dave/Jeff> > are moving with the scheduling, they can help this process along, like Tamar> > was doing for the past months.> > >> > > If you have any questions/problems with editing the website, feel free to> > contact me.> > >> > > Right now, for the remainder of Sept, I am only avail Wed, Sept 26.> > Hopefully others can pai r up before then to get some washing done.> > >> > > Thanks.> > >> > > Pete> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----> > > From: Jeff Brandt < <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org">jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</a>>> > > To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected] ></a>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:35:54 PM> > > Subject: Re: [mixmasters] scheduling and mixing> > >> > >> > > I spoke with Brian on the phone yesterday about this.> > >> > > Dave and I have discussed this and we are willing to take ov er> > > managing the scheduling for a couple of months. This will also get us> > > more familiar with the wash process and coordinate processing more as> > > to no t overload the co-op site with biodiesel.> > >> > > The good news is that besides taking over scheduling; Dave and I> > > (mostly Dave) would like to come down and be the second person on the> > > wash crew. This should make scheduling easier for a day or two during> > > the week since only one person will need to help him. I state again ..> > > Dave will only be able to show up once, maybe twice during week for> > > wash duty. The rest of the time he will try to coordinate people.> > >> > > I need to get Dave setup on the lists and active in the mixmaster> > > discussions. I will also need to get a list of phone numbers and email> > > addresses for everyone.> > >> > > Dave and I will also need someone (Zac perhaps) to get us trained on> > > the washing system.> > >> > > Thanks Tamar for being so proactive on this, I'll be contacting you> > > later for some additional pointers.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Jeff Brandt> > > Sun Break Biofuels, LLC> > > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com">http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com</a>> > > mailto: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org">jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</a>> > >> > >> > >> > > On 9/12/07, More, Tamar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > Yes, I sent an email a couple weeks ago to that effect when it got close> > to the wire, baby wise. S cout was born August 27 (5 lb 8 oz), we are all> > well but don't even have time to update the web site or answer more than an> > email or phone call a day... Hopefully you can a ll pull together to keep> > things going without us for a while!> > > >> > > > If someone can take on the scheduling until we are functional again,> > that would be great. Meanwhile, what I had suggested (and if someoen can at> > least update the website to remind people fo this, that too would be very> > helpful) is:> > > >> > > > Use the listserv AND the calendar to let people know you want to make> > fuel and when (both date AND time)> > > > Check the calendar occasionally, but do use the listserv as well since> > that way people will get an email with news rather than have to check for it> > on the site> > > > If you hear of someone needing a partner and are available, cont act them> > by phone or email to let them know AND update the calendar (contact info is> > on the calendar site)> > > > If you do not have a partner, email the list a nd/or call some of the> > other mixmasters on the list to find one.> > > > If you see a slot on the calendar with two or more poeple and want to> > work then, do still contact them to make sure there has not been a last> > minute change. If there is just one person for a slot, contact them to make> > sure they know the session is a go!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If anyone does have the time and energy to take over what I or Zac were> > doing, that would be extremely helpful. I was essentially facilitating the> > above - calling people to find partners for mixmasters to fit their schedule> > by calling and emailing requests, sending reminders before sessions, and> > trying to deal wi th last minute changes (or missed sessions); If you do take> > this on, let Mich Nelson (new members coordinator) know so she can forward> > new names and contacts to you. Zac's role is harder to fill since it was> > coordinating the work and doing training, but if anyone has gotten> > experienced and confident enough and has time, you can talk to Zac about> > what and how to do it.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks everyone! have fun!> > > >> > > > Tamar (and Zac and Scout)> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org">mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</a> on behalf> > of Jordan Kohn> > > > Sent: Tue 9/11/2007 10:54 PM> > > > To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected] sourcery.com</a>> > > > Subject: [mixmasters] scheduling and mixing> > > >> > > > hey all,> > > > i was wondering what the deal was with sched uling, since the website> > > > hasn't been updated in a while. i'm guessing that tamar and zac are> > > > taking care of the newborn, and are thus unable to manage it. has> > > > someone volunteered to take over? have people been meeting down there> > > > in the past week and a half or so? i want to make some fuel, damnit!> > > > who's with me...?> > > > cheers,> > > > jordan> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > mixmasters mailing list> > > > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> > > >> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http: //lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters</a>> > > >> > > >> > > > ___________________ ____________________________> > > > mixmasters mailing list> > > > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> > > >> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters</a>> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > mixmasters mailing list> > > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> > > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org /mailman/listinfo/mixmasters</a>> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > Building a website is a piece of cake.> > > Yahoo! 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