RE: Mileage problem

Please tell us your update on the mileage after switching back to
petro-diesel. I have a 2000 Excursion and have been using biodiesel for
about six years and have never been able to tell any difference in
mileage between biodiesel and petro diesel, even from long ago Club
Biodiesel's 50 gallon drums stored outside Bill's apartment in Aloha.
What year is your truck? Is it the original motor and injectors, fuel
pump etc.? Has it been modified or is it stock? Are all the hood closure
gaskets good and prevent water entering the system somehow when the
heavy rains came a couple of weeks ago? If it did, did you use the water
separator valve and flush out the water?
How many miles were on it using petro diesel before trying biodiesel?
What exactly do you mean when you say "can't get the regular diesel"?
If petro diesel can be defined as ordinary diesel the retail companies
have been selling for eons, by that do you mean you can not get petro
diesel, home brewed bio-diesel, retail ATSM certified bio-diesel, or
____?
If you had many miles of regular/ordinary diesel use, you should have
been advised to gradually phase in bio-diesel use per its solvent
qualities.
Due the pacific northwest's retail site's reputation for *poor* quality
petro diesel you also may have bought a bad tank of fuel just prior to
using biodiesel. With a 8200 pound 7.3L 2000 diesel Excursion I can get
17+ MPG in the city when people behind me let me be and 27+ MPG on the
freeway *fully* loaded for vacation with a family of five and I have
over 110,000 miles on it, regardless of the fuel. 

- Marty




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   1. Co-op vision - some ideas (Leo Frishberg / Susan Zeidler)
   2. Mileage problem (MICKIE DUVAL)
   3. Re: Mileage problem (Jeff Brandt)
   4. Re: Mileage problem (MICKIE DUVAL)
   5. Re: Mileage problem (Matthew Hixson)
   6. Re: Mileage problem (MICKIE DUVAL)
   7. Re: Mileage problem (Jeff Brandt)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:32:44 -0700
From: Leo Frishberg / Susan Zeidler <[email protected]>
Subject: [pdx-biodiesel] Co-op vision - some ideas
To: General Biodiesel discussion <[email protected]>
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   gobiodieselers!
   It's a toss-up whether Sue and I can make it to the meeting this
   afternoon - but we've been giving a lot of deep thought to how the
   co-op can move forward with the energy it's generated these past few
   years.  I have summarized our thoughts below and we would be willing
   to discuss any and all of these with whomever. (I have also asked
Greg
   to make a couple of copies and have them at the meeting in the event
   we can't make it).
   Executive Summary
   In this vision of the future, gobiodiesel coop establishes a broader
   presence in the supply chain of biodiesel through establishing a
   network of independent home-brewers who take advantage of the coop's
   buying, distribution and waste management capabilities.
   gobioidiesel takes on the following really hard problems:
     * establishes a fair, auditable and ASTM certified testing process
       for all of its homebrewer members
     * establishes bulk-buying and distribution for all biodiesel raw
       materials, including WVO, lye, methanol, etc.
     * establishes an environmentally sustainable process for collecting
       and dispensing of homebrewer waste products
     * establishes an web-based coop members-only buying/selling
"market"
       to match homebrewers with member buyers

   In addition to the above, gobiodiesel provides advantages to its
   members by:
     * providing at-cost (perhaps negotiates a deal on) appleseed
       processors to all interested homebrewers
     * assuring a quality-of-product that matches or exceeds ASTM
       standards

   gobiodiesel continues to expand its long-standing and successful
   efforts at:
     * collecting WVO, establishing long-term contracts, where possible
       with WVO "producers"
     * education, continuing to promote biodiesel with the general
public
       and policy-makers and potential sponsors

   In return, homebrewer coop members agree to be "certified" by
     * demonstrating competency in processing safety, either by
       completing a coop training course or demonstration
     * agreeing to have their product tested by coop testing agents
     * provide a portion of their brew for coop member purchase, amount
       and pricing to be determined, but likely cost-based

   In addition to producing, opportunities for membership include:
     * collection - continuing the great tradition gobiodiesel has
       established
     * testing - establishing Academic or for-profit partners willing to
       donate testing lab time and resources to coop tests in exchange
of
       sponsorship, goodwill and/or student educational opportunities
     * testing - becoming a test "agent" - participating in an auditable
       test-trail from producer to lab to
     * transport - raw materials, finished product, etc. - moving
product
       in one form or another around the region may be needed depending
       on the model
     * training - new producers, test agents
     * policy and education - speaking opportunities, engaging new
       partners
     * into the coop's coffers for non-producing volunteer members. To
       improve efficiencies transactions are handled through a robust
       web-based process.

   Please feel free to discuss this with Sue and me in the event we are
   unable to attend. We are very excited about the prospects for the
coop
   leading the charge to creating for biodiesl what "Oregon-tilth"
   standards did for organic, sustainable farming.
   Leo Frishberg
   Sue Zeidler

   slam.


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:08:45 -0700
From: "MICKIE DUVAL" <[email protected]>
Subject: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
To: <[email protected]>
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Have a question that I hope you can answer for me, my husband drives a
ford f250 diesel pick up, the bio diesel he has been buying from the
stations (all he can get, can't get the regular diesel) has made his
mileage go way down, any one know how to improve his mileage or where he
can get the "normal" diesel?. Thanks for any and all help. Mickie D.

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:47:22 -0700
From: "Jeff Brandt" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
To: "General Biodiesel discussion"
	<[email protected]>
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I would need more details ... what was the mileage before and what is
the mileage now? Our F250 gets around 14-15mpg under a heavy load and
16-18mpg when empty. Both numbers are freeway miles.

--
Jeff

On 10/13/07, MICKIE DUVAL <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have a question that I hope you can answer for me, my husband drives a
ford f250 diesel pick up, the bio diesel he has been buying from the
stations (all he can get, can't get the regular diesel) has made his
mileage go way down, any one know how to improve his mileage or where he
can get the "normal" diesel?. Thanks for any and all help. Mickie D.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:19:32 -0700
From: "MICKIE DUVAL" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
To: "General Biodiesel discussion"
	<[email protected]>
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He said he's gone from 15.5 to 7.8 and that would be freeway miles. He
has found regular diesel out at the troutdale truck stop. Thanks for
your help. Mickie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: General Biodiesel
discussion<mailto:[email protected]> 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem


  I would need more details ... what was the mileage before and what is
  the mileage now? Our F250 gets around 14-15mpg under a heavy load and
  16-18mpg when empty. Both numbers are freeway miles.

  --
  Jeff

  On 10/13/07, MICKIE DUVAL
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  > Have a question that I hope you can answer for me, my husband drives
a ford f250 diesel pick up, the bio diesel he has been buying from the
stations (all he can get, can't get the regular diesel) has made his
mileage go way down, any one know how to improve his mileage or where he
can get the "normal" diesel?. Thanks for any and all help. Mickie D.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:58:03 -0700
From: Matthew Hixson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
To: General Biodiesel discussion <[email protected]>
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Is he keeping his fuel and air filters clean?
   -M@

On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:19 AM, MICKIE DUVAL wrote:

> He said he's gone from 15.5 to 7.8 and that would be freeway miles.  
> He has found regular diesel out at the troutdale truck stop. Thanks  
> for your help. Mickie
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jeff Brandt<mailto:[email protected]>
>   To: General Biodiesel discussion<mailto:pdx- 
> [email protected]>
>   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:47 PM
>   Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
>
>
>   I would need more details ... what was the mileage before and  
> what is
>   the mileage now? Our F250 gets around 14-15mpg under a heavy load  
> and
>   16-18mpg when empty. Both numbers are freeway miles.
>
>   --
>   Jeff
>
>   On 10/13/07, MICKIE DUVAL  
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Have a question that I hope you can answer for me, my husband  
>> drives a ford f250 diesel pick up, the bio diesel he has been  
>> buying from the stations (all he can get, can't get the regular  
>> diesel) has made his mileage go way down, any one know how to  
>> improve his mileage or where he can get the "normal" diesel?.  
>> Thanks for any and all help. Mickie D.


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:16:29 -0700
From: "MICKIE DUVAL" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
To: "General Biodiesel discussion"
	<[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

yes he does, Mickie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Matthew Hixson<mailto:[email protected]> 
  To: General Biodiesel
discussion<mailto:[email protected]> 
  Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem


  Is he keeping his fuel and air filters clean?
     -M@

  On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:19 AM, MICKIE DUVAL wrote:

  > He said he's gone from 15.5 to 7.8 and that would be freeway miles.

  > He has found regular diesel out at the troutdale truck stop. Thanks

  > for your help. Mickie
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Jeff
Brandt<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
  >   To: General Biodiesel discussion<mailto:pdx<mailto:pdx>- 
  >
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
  >   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:47 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
  >
  >
  >   I would need more details ... what was the mileage before and  
  > what is
  >   the mileage now? Our F250 gets around 14-15mpg under a heavy load

  > and
  >   16-18mpg when empty. Both numbers are freeway miles.
  >
  >   --
  >   Jeff
  >
  >   On 10/13/07, MICKIE DUVAL  
  >
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
om<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
  >> Have a question that I hope you can answer for me, my husband  
  >> drives a ford f250 diesel pick up, the bio diesel he has been  
  >> buying from the stations (all he can get, can't get the regular  
  >> diesel) has made his mileage go way down, any one know how to  
  >> improve his mileage or where he can get the "normal" diesel?.  
  >> Thanks for any and all help. Mickie D.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:38:01 -0700
From: "Jeff Brandt" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
To: "General Biodiesel discussion"
	<[email protected]>
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	<[email protected]>
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Can he switch back to diesel and see an improvement again? ... or is
the mileage just poor since he tried biodiesel.

Constricted fuel filters can cause your injection pump to starve for
pressure and can cause poor mileage. Biodiesel cleans your fuel system
out, but the crud gets caught in the filter. However if he can switch
back to diesel and get his normal mileage I would say the filter isn't
it.

Excessive amounts of entrained water in the fuel can also give poor
mileage, but usually not that bad .. Crystal clear homebrew can often
have 2000ppm of water which is 5 times beyond spec. I would still
think that wouldn't make too much of a difference.

--
Jeff Brandt
Sun Break Biofuels, LLC
http://www.sunbreakbiofuels.com
mailto:[email protected]


On 10/14/07, MICKIE DUVAL <[email protected]> wrote:
> He said he's gone from 15.5 to 7.8 and that would be freeway miles. He
has found regular diesel out at the troutdale truck stop. Thanks for
your help. Mickie
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Jeff Brandt<mailto:[email protected]>
>  To: General Biodiesel
discussion<mailto:[email protected]>
>  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:47 PM
>  Subject: Re: [pdx-biodiesel] Mileage problem
>
>
>  I would need more details ... what was the mileage before and what is
>  the mileage now? Our F250 gets around 14-15mpg under a heavy load and
>  16-18mpg when empty. Both numbers are freeway miles.
>
>  --
>  Jeff
>
>  On 10/13/07, MICKIE DUVAL
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>  > Have a question that I hope you can answer for me, my husband
drives a ford f250 diesel pick up, the bio diesel he has been buying
from the stations (all he can get, can't get the regular diesel) has
made his mileage go way down, any one know how to improve his mileage or
where he can get the "normal" diesel?. Thanks for any and all help.
Mickie D.
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