Re: [proofread] [EN] Ada video subtitles

Yes, checking the timings is good.  And it is good that someone else will
be doing this, not me.

But is there any reason why I shouldn't start comparing what I hear from
the movie against the subtitles I read?  I won't need the timings either to
make the comparisons or to report any suggestions I might have.  (It would
be natural, when I make suggestions, to report both the text I read and my
suggested transcription.)

If I start now, which subtitles should I be reading for my comparison?  The
ones in the movie or the ones in a file such as
https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/src/branch/main/movie/en.srt ?  Or
is there some other file of the subtitles I should be using?

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 4:04 AM Ana Galan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Nico and Richard,
>
> I am, indeed, happy someone open this topic. After last years' Richard
> mail, I remember I spent some time checking Ada subtitles and they were not
> only sometimes wrong grammatically speaking but also with the timing.
> However, after some time fixing several things, I had to deal with other
> things.
>
> So I would suggest that first Nico and I can try to check the the
> subtitles timing is the right one (that is also useful for the rest of the
> languages) and then, it would be great if Richard can check them one last
> time. I am sorry that this might be also a bit of extra work for Richard so
> we will try to have them as clear and good as possible.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best,
>
> Ana
> On 3/15/25 17:53, Richard L. Schmeidler wrote:
>
> I suggest dividing the work.
>
> My portion would be to check the subtitles against the spoken narration.
> I would use the video at https://media.fsfe.org/w/j1c6LQVZ8qnCLLwpXMuw3MA
> for the spoken narration.  Should I use
> https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/src/branch/main/movie/en.srt or
> some other version of the subtitles?  I would use the book text you suggest
> for guidance as to what the narrator intended, but I would not be relying
> on the book text in my work.  If I hear the narrator say something that is
> not exactly what is in the book text, and the subtitle agrees with what the
> narrator says, I would accept the subtitle even if it does not agree with
> the book text.  (I would not be hunting for such cases, but I would report
> such cases to the extent I notice them.)
>
> Here is an example of the phenomenon from early in my email of October 15:
>
> "3.  29.  After that, he built a cleaning robot and a block sorting
> machine so that his room would - To hear "he built" (when describing
> his daydreams, not his actual accomplishments) seemed so strange that
> I checked the printed text on page 6.  It has "he'd build."  Since the
> subtitles file agrees with the spoken version, it should not be
> changed.  But this is strange.  It is too bad that the spoken version
> has been published."
>
> I have just listened to the video again, months later, and I still hear
> "built," not "build" or "he'd build"!  If you disagree, it is clear that
> someone else's hearing should be consulted, not mine.
>
> =====
>
> Someone else's portion of the work would be dealing with issues of timing
> (and everything else, except comparison of spoken narration and the
> subtitles).  If I were to deal with documentation of the timing, it would
> be after this first undertaking of comparison of narration to subtitles.
>
> Do you like this suggested division of the work?
>
> Ana, what do you think?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 11:52 AM Nico Rikken <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> The emails contain metadata what they reply to. I replied to that
>> email, so I didn't include further context. Maybe I should have.
>> I see this date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 02:33:32 -0400 (15-10-24 08:33:32)
>>
>> For some more context, I'm in the process of adding the subtitles to
>> git so they are on a central place for translation. I started with the
>> subtitles published with the video on media.fsfe.org peertube:
>> https://media.fsfe.org/w/j1c6LQVZ8qnCLLwpXMuw3M
>> I found spelling mistakes in the text that I corrected. It seems that
>> these subtitles originate from an automated tool used by Petter at the
>> beginning of October. I was included in a direct email. The subtitles
>> were almost identical. I corrected some spelling mistakes before
>> committing it to git.
>>
>> Discovering your work on the mailinglist, I made a diff with the
>> version by Ana, the version in git and your version. In the pull
>> request I adopted many of your changes, but not the change in timing.
>>
>> I just prepared a separate pull request with your timing changes:
>> https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/pulls/102
>>
>> I think there are two things to check:
>>
>> 1. Make sure that the text corresponds to the words of the narrator.
>> 2. Check and correct the timing. Long sentences might need to be split.
>>
>> For checking and correcting the timing I have good experience with KDE
>> Subtitle Composer https://invent.kde.org/multimedia/subtitlecomposer
>> I used the same software to record a video voiceover
>>
>> https://blogs.fsfe.org/nico.rikken/2020/11/02/recording-a-public-money-public-code-video-translation/
>>
>> I added a comment in https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/issues/78
>> about the need for additional verification.
>>
>>
>> Now that the subtitle is available in a designated place, I would love
>> a final check. I haven't checked it with the video yet.
>> Based on this video: https://media.fsfe.org/w/j1c6LQVZ8qnCLLwpXMuw3MA
>> And this book text
>>
>> https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/src/branch/main/Ada_Zangemann-en.txt
>> These subtitles:
>> https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/src/branch/main/movie/en.srt
>> Or your retimed ones:
>> https://git.fsfe.org/FSFE/ada-zangemann/pulls/102/files
>>
>> As said there are dedicated programs like Subtitlecompose available for
>> this goal.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nico
>>
>
>
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