Re: Re: AFFS

On Monday 02 March 2009 18:21:33 Jason Clifford wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 18:10 +0000, John¹ wrote:
> > Once again I would advise consulting a solicitor if you want to find
> > out the precise position.
>
> To what ends? I have no interest in wasting my or UKFSN's money on
> obtaining legal opinion unless I intend to try and obtain some specific
> ends and that seems to be lacking here.
>
From that we can infer that you have no clear idea of what the exact legal 
position is, as others seem to be intent on execrating any effort that I 
and others have made it is increasingly likely that I may just seek help 
in winding up what is left and disposing of the monies in the AFFS 
account.
>
> > Again you would have to inform said solicitor that
> > there was at least on person who had continued to pay to their
> > membership fees, (which I think you'll find will complicate matters,
> > (and therefore no doubt inflate the bill).
>
> It only complicate matters if it either means that AFFS continued to
> exist on account of that or if you are using that to try and make things
> harder and more expensive than they need to be. A couple of very simple
> solutions have been suggested. If you have a particular problem with
> them why not simply say what that is?
>
> > It was either you or UKFSN who has a £1000.00 donation in the AFFS
> > bank account is it not?
>
> UKFSN donated £1,000 to AFFS for the purpose of establishing a UK Free
> Software grant programme. I don't know whether any other donations were
> specific to that or some other particular ends.
>
> > I think you'll find that my subscriptions to a dormant association may
> > well be refundable.
>
> So ask for the money back. I'm fairly sure someone who used to be on the
> Executive has already stated that this is no problem.
>
No, I don't want my money back, other than as a last resort, If it comes to 
winding up the AFFS, then the donations that are specific will, if I have 
anything to do with it go to the purpose for which they were given and the 
rest to the FSFE, or is your interest in recovering the £1000.00?
>
> > As this
> > seems to be making me the target for so much work, just in reading and
> > replying to the posts let alone looking into the need for new rules
> > and investigating how to verify who was or was not a previous member,
> > that it would be preferable were to employ a solicitor, (who may of
> > course need Counsels opinion, which is quite a bit more than a
> > solicitors fees, at least that was the case in the previous case I was
> > involved in involving an unincorporated association), As Mark Eberhard
> > writes it may now be in the best interests of every one to take legal
> > advice.
>
> I agree that it is very likely that any solicitor you consult will
> recommend obtaining Counsels opinion as solicitors do not tend to deal
> directly with matters which may well be legally complex as this may.
> Pursuing this route will be a really good way to waste £thousands.
>
I suggested that you consulted a solicitor, as it was you pontificating on 
the legal position. I have been involved in a similar case years ago, 
which is why I know about the responsibilities, and the separate and 
several liabilties of those involved. Councel was involved, it went to 
court, damages and costs were enormous, I was not on the losing side.
>
> The only person making you "the target for so much work" is you.
>
Indeed, and look at the thanks I've had so far, on the other hand a very 
few have made very positive contributions. State your interest in this 
clearly, and you may change my opinion. 




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John Seago
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