Re: Bill Gates in the news: Deja vu

Ali Reza Hayati <[email protected]> Wed, 19 May 2021 07:00:39 +0000
Newsgroups	gmane.org.gnu.discuss
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I misread your last line so what I wrote doesn't make sense. I thought you said "impossible" instead of "possible". For that, I apologize.

And Akira, please note that I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just replying to you for those of people who may be confused about the matter.

Sorry if my message seems unkind, I don't intend to be offensive. I just don't want people to get the idea that RMS and Bill Gates cases are the same.

On May 18, 2021 11:59:14 PM UTC, Ali Reza Hayati <[email protected]> wrote:
>Akira, I think you're confused. Let me answer your message part by part 
>so you don't cause confusion or misunderstanding for others.
>
>On 19/05/2021 03:38, Akira Urushibata wrote:
>> Reports about the personal life of Microsoft founder Bill Gates are
>> appearing in the mainstream media.  Some charges sound familiar -
>> nearly identical ones were cast upon a different person a couple
>> years ago.
>> 
>> I wonder why this is happening.  I see expressions like this:
>> 
>>    "Bill Gates Had Reputation for Questionable Behavior"
>>     - New York Times
>> 
>>    "... pursued women who worked for him at Microsoft and at the Bill
>>     and Melinda Gates Foundation, creating what were described as
>>     uncomfortable work environments" - NBC News
>> 
>> Bill Gates met Jeffrey Epstein several times.  He does not deny that
>> the meetings happened.  His spokesman, however, seems concerned that
>> the nature of these encounters is misunderstood.
>
>This is true. However, RMS never had any encounter with Epstein for any 
>reason and he called Epstein a serial rapist many times. The 
>controversial comments were also not about the nature of the crimes but 
>how they were put in words.
>
>So while Gates may be asked about the intentions behind those meetings, 
>RMS is clear that he never met and supported anybody n that case, what 
>RMS did was to describe the meaning behind the words, not anything else. 
>So there's no need to be concerned about the nature of relationship 
>between RMS and Epstein, as there's no relationship.
>
>> One thing that has become clear is that Microsoft's board has
>> investigated the founder's relation with a female employee and
>> concluded that it had been inappropriate.
>
>This true. However, the case, specially the hate letter, against RMS is 
>not about RMS' relationship with any FSF employees as there were no 
>relationship in the matter. None of the ones who "claimed" they were 
>hurt by RMS did have relationship in the term of 
>girlfriend/boyfriend/partner/etc. with RMS.
>
>What was the case was that RMS asked some people out and insisted on 
>that. Now, maybe the insisting part made them uncomfortable but that's 
>no crime. Not for RMS, not for Gates, not for anybody.
>
>> Has the FSF board investigated the widely held claim that Richard
>> Stallman "defended" Jeffrey Epstein?  I don't think they have
>> investigated anything.  As a consequence they have allowed rumors
>> of their founder's "bad behavior" run out of control and cause
>> unnecessary confusion and damage to personal reputation.
>
>FSF board did investigate that. So did a large members of our great 
>community. Stallman actually never defended Epstein, he just explained 
>the meaning behind some words. You can read those comments and emails 
>yourself.
>
>Bad behavior is relative. I'm comfortable with many stuff while some 
>people even consider jokes as bad behavior. But if you want to compare 
>Gates with Stallman, the difference is that Stallman never had any 
>relationship with those who claim are hurt, but Gates did have 
>relationship, as we see on news, I'm not judging or deciding anything.
>
>> I have a request: Do not do to Bill Gates what you would not like done
>> to yourself or Richard Stallman.  It is possible that the stories that
>> are recently surfacing are not true.  Do not turn your eyes away from
>> what may appear to be lame apology, for therein often lies the seeds
>> of truth.
>> 
>
>I support this. Nobody should be punished for crime one didn't do. If 
>Gates is innocent, he shouldn't be punished.
>
>However, you say, and I quote, "It is possible that the stories that are 
>recently surfacing are not true." This is a weird statement because it 
>is not impossible. All of the claims *can* be untrue.
>
>About the apology, if you think what RMS wrote was a lame apology, you 
>should first prove that what was claimed against Stallman was true. I 
>don't expect someone who didn't commit a crime to be punished or to 
>apologize, I think you think so.
>
>If you haven't read the claims or followed the actual story, I can 
>suggest https://stallmansupport.org/ with every detail needed and some 
>great articles that explain the matter.
>
>I hope you haven't just followed some people's baseless claims and 
>believed them without really fact checking and analyzing. Check the 
>website I sent and please do ask if you had any question.
>
>Best of all.
>

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