Re: easy server-side filtering with subaddressing

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:41:45 +0100, NM Public wrote:

> OK, now I understand what's going on. Unfortunately, because of 
> Gmane's address munging, you have not performed the experiments 
> I wanted you to perform. Please follow the steps below and make 
> sure that you
> 
>  * use 'test2' (not 'test')
>  * replace ' (AT) ' with '@'
> 
> 
>> 1. Send a message To beartooth+test2 (AT) mailworks.org

You don't say from where; this time I'll assume you just mean titan.

>> 2. Did the message arrive? If so, which mailbox was it
>> delivered to?

First, not knowing what titan's FM collection may or may not do to FM, I
went to the web interface. It's there, with these headers : 

Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from mx3.internal (mx3.internal [10.202.2.202])
         by imap5m.internal (Cyrus v2.3.6) with LMTPA;
         Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:37:29 -0400
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
X-Resolved-to: [email protected]
X-Delivered-to: [email protected]
X-Mail-from: [email protected]
Received: from titan.lserv.com (h-68-164-247-62.snvacaid.covad.net [68.164.247.62])
        by mx3.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C08EAEBF
        for <[email protected]>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from titan.lserv.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
        by titan.lserv.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5PHbPB7016216
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO)
        for <[email protected]>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:37:25 -0700
Received: from localhost (karhunhammas@localhost)
        by titan.lserv.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k5PHbPQ4016213
        for <[email protected]>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:37:25 -0700
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Beartooth <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Test Two -- titan to bmo/mod
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606251035350.9979-0bRIf58OjIYNDmY4H/[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost
X-Virus-Status: Clean 	Text view
Print view
Raw view
Hide full header
        From titan to bmo as modified

Then I went back to titan, and looked first in my regular INBOX
(nothing), then an unfamiliar titan folder called simply FM. All it had
were a couple messages (or copies of one) from the 19th, answering my
request for a password reminder.

Then I tried FM-inbox-old in the same collection. Nothing past the 20th.

So I went ahead, first in the titan collection, with ;PNZ -- getting 300
folders -- none of which looked promising. (There was no inbox there,
naturally, except for the two from Adel and FM -- nor any plain Apending,
without month and year, which seems odd.)

Then I thought to clear my selection, did ;TC and gave it the string
"test two" (w/o parens) -- to which it replied that the scan was not valid
here, and then that it had failed.

Not wanting to go through all the titan collection by brute force, I went
to the FM collection, did ;PNZ there, and started looking. I found it in
one called sent-mail (one of those that should've been in the titan
collection) -- but not in any other.

Do I really need to do ;pnz in the titan IMAP collection, and go through
300 folders one after another??

>> 3. Use Pine to create a mailbox named 'test2' in your FM IMAP
>> collection

OK; did it with A from the list screen with the cursor in that collection.

>> 4. Send another message to beartooth+test2 (AT) mailworks.org
>>
>> 5. Did the message arrive? If so, which mailbox was it
>> delivered to?

The new test2 folder; at once; with no pine filter created on titan;
headers : 

Return-Path: <[email protected]>
     Received: from mx1.internal (mx1.internal [10.202.2.200])
          by imap5m.internal (Cyrus v2.3.6) with LMTPA;
          Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:13:14 -0400
     X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
     X-Resolved-to: [email protected]
     X-Delivered-to: [email protected]
     X-Mail-from: [email protected]
     Received: from titan.lserv.com
         (h-68-164-247-62.snvacaid.covad.net [68.164.247.62])
         by mx1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
         7D7CA914AC
         for <[email protected]>; Sun,
         25 Jun 2006 14:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
     Received: from titan.lserv.com (localhost.localdomain
         [127.0.0.1])
         by titan.lserv.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id
         k5PIDDQu019899
         (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256
          verify=NO)
         for <[email protected]>; Sun,
        25 Jun 2006 11:13:13 -0700
     Received: from localhost (karhunhammas@localhost)
         by titan.lserv.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id
          k5PIDD5e019896
         for <[email protected]>; Sun,
         25 Jun 2006 11:13:13 -0700
     Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
     From: Beartooth <[email protected]>
     To: [email protected]
     Subject: Test Two the Second
     Message-ID:
         <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606251110580.9979-0bRIf58OjIYNDmY4H/[email protected]>
     MIME-Version: 1.0
     Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
     X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2,
         clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost
     X-Virus-Status: Clean

Then I went to the FM web interface -- and couldn't find the message nor
any folder called test2 .... <puzzled look> ; I admit I don't feel like I
know my way around FM at all well yet ....

Then I went back to the FM collection on titan, and found it in the
(misplaced) sent-mail folder -- but not in FM-sent -- nor anywhere else.

>> 6. Send a message to test2 (AT) beartooth.example.org

Done.

>> 7. Did the message arrive? If so, which mailbox was it
>> delivered to?
 
First I went to the web interface "mailbox" (which seems to be my inbox
there), and refreshed it. Saw nothing. Then back to the ;pnz routine with
the FM-collection; found nothing.
 
> Please post the answers to steps 2, 5, and 7.
> 
> Tip: You can use the ';PNZ' command sequence to help you figure out
> which mailbox the messages were delivered to.

Is there some trick I should see for using that against a zoomed list of
300 folders? (Remind me to tell you the 'definition of obvious' story some
day!)

> Sorry about having to re-do this experiment. I think we're both learning
> things!

Well, I'm *seeing* new things -- bewildering, so far, though the usual
night thoughts may help ...

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