Re: [OS:N:] Another multiple response (Basic rights warmed up in the microwave again)

On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 09:59, James Michael DuPont wrote:
> 
> --- "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > Well, along with the 100 programs are many pages of related writings.
> > 
> > Since you mentioned the topic of this list and noise, I'm amazed
> > we're 
> > having so many people on a list called "Open Source Now" writing in 
> > favor of artificially created IP "rights." Maybe they should join a
> > list 
> > called "IP Now."
> 
> W0rd!! THat is the exact same thing that I am thinking.
> 
> Or Open-Source-So-We-Can-Sell-IP-Now : OSSWCSIP for short.
> 
> The next best way to caputre a market and take away all thier freedoms.
> 
> When I talk about the rights of the students, I mean that as well. When
> you look at the contracts, laws and EULA, you see that they are
> designed on limiting the rights of the users. 
> 
> Now, why do these rights have to be limited, unless they were there to
> begin with? The rights to view and edit and change source code are
> there until they are taken away by contract or agreement. 
> 
> In the pure state, a human is not bound by contract, only by binding
> themselves to various agreements do these rights become take away.
> 
> The proponents of IP on this list are interested in these "rightless"
> people because they do not trust them, and because they can help pay
> off thier morgages and buy luxary goods for thier children. But there
> are other ways to do this without taking away student rights, like
> teaching them things.
> 
> I challenge you IP people to make some statements about students and
> user rights in general, that is the context of this list, or am I
> wrong?
> 
You are absolutely wrong.  You do not have inherent rights to look at
anything anybody else does.  Only be them giving it to you do you have
that right.  This is what the GPL is all about.  It defines you rights
in regards to that particular item.  Nothing else.  It a EULA in all
sense of the meaning.

If somebody else wants to give you a more limited set of rights, and
they own the item in question, then that is their right.  Not yours. 
You have only the rights they are willing to give you.  They must put
those rights down on paper and communicate them to you or they have lost
them by default.

This is what most of the "EULA" agreements are.  It has nothing to do
with limiting students.  It is a legal agreement between producer and
customer.

Now, I use Linux, I develop kernel and user software for Linux.  Some of
it is under the GPL and some of it is not.  You can choose to use the
GPL stuff for free and not the other.  Whatever, it is of no concern of
mine.

This list has nothing to do with students rights.  It has to do with the
promotion of open source and making sure the government does not bow to
the people who actually are paying for them to be elected.  We must band
together to get people elected who will not pass laws effectively
removing the validity of the GPL, Open source license, BSD license, etc.


> mike
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Dee-Ann LeBlanc wrote:
> > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > <With all due respect, Dee-Ann, as an author of over 100 free and
> > open 
> > > source programs licensed under the GPL, I understand from years of 
> > > personal experience how much work goes into such creations.>
> > > 
> > > No, I don't think you do. Writing and programming are apples and
> > oranges
> > > issues. However, I really don't think this is the topic of this
> > list, so
> > > rather than contributing to the noise ratio, I think I'll bow out.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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