Re: ISP outbound SMTP filtering

Boys!!!

A very interesting discussion has turn into a pissing match between two 
egos. Please, have your PM privately, if you must. The rest of us on this 
list are not interested in such nonsense.

BUT! We ARE interested in your technical opinions, and differences of 
opinion are interesting from a technical point of view. but try not to be 
offended because somebody else thinks differently, or comes from a different 
experience. It's all good!

Please apologize to one another and let's continue with more interesting 
things. You've both insulted and counter-insulted each other, get over it 
and say, "I'm sorry if I offended". You'll feel better immediately because 
you've grown a little!

David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: ISP outbound SMTP filtering


> Kevin Kargel wrote:
>> It just sounds like you really like to light the god sign over your
>> desk and flex your admin muscles, tell your clients how they have to
>> run their networks, and don't give them any input to the policies.
>> That is a real good recipe for forcing an ISP out of business.
>> People will move to where it is friendlier, where their business is
>> appreciated and to where they have a modicum of control.
>>
>> If you are in a captive market (school, military, internal corporate
>> network) where you customers have no choice of who to get service from
>> your method will work, but if not I wanted to get my dibs in for cheap
>> networking hardware when you don't need it any more..  :)
>
>
> Honestly, you sound exactly like the people 15 years ago or so when we
> figured out that open relays maybe weren't such a good idea.  Or when 
> ISP's
> finally cut off the last of their UUCP clients.  Lots of wailing and
> gnashing of teeth over "don't tell me how to run my server/network/raise 
> my
> kid" in the face of overwhelming evidence that things had changed and were
> never going to be the same.  This thread has gone on for a few days now 
> and
> no one has presented a single rational reason why you or your customers
> can't simply configure your/their mail server to relay through the ISP's
> mail server.  Just like how sometime in the 90s you had to stop picking 
> SMTP
> servers at random and start using your provider's (or run your own), 
> things
> have changed, we all must adapt.
>
> And blocking port 25 isn't going to put *anyone* out of business.  The
> percentage of clients who even know it's being done, much less care enough
> about it to leave and go elsewhere is so miniscule it's laughable.  I'm 
> sure
> you could build a nice niche business catering to that tiny minority, and
> probably be successful doing so.  Just don't complain when you find 
> yourself
> effectively RBL'd off the 'net, just like those like-minded people who
> steadfastly maintained their open relays...
>
> Andrew
>
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