RE: Data Center Facility Costs

It is really counties as the power that cheap comes from public utility
districts.


http://www.gcpud.org/customercare/rates.htm is one of the PUDs (about 2
cents in large quantities)


http://www.gcpud.org/customercare/rates.htm is the other one, and
Wenatchee is the closest town, looks like they are publishing rates of
about 2.4 cents.

I am told both will do around 1.5 for datacenters because the peak load
and continuous load are nearly the same.   It is also worth noting that
that side of the state is a desert so in winter outside air is very cold
and can be used for cooling due to the low humidity.   In the summer it
is hot, but due to the rivers there is plenty of water available for
chillers.   For people wanting to run "green" facilities that is the
other advantage as you can see in the "fuel mix disclosures" for each
that they are forced to publish by the state:
http://www.chelanpud.org/4638.html as they indicate that both provide
100% renewable power (mostly hydro) and because both of them have made
such a large profit in the last few years they have built extensive
fiber networks along their utility right of ways.   



John van Oppen
Spectrum Networks LLC
206.973.8302 (Direct)
206.973.8300 (main office)

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Jeff Koch
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Data Center Facility Costs


John:

I'm intrigued. As an example, what towns in Washington would have a
power 
cost of 1.5 cents per KWH? Commercial rates in NJ are around 12 cents
per 
KWH. Rates that low would reduce the cost of a cabinet with two 20AMP
feeds 
by over $400/month - notwithstanding the additional savings related to
the 
year round lower temperatures.



At 01:11 PM 3/4/2008, you wrote:
>Well if anyone wants to get together to build an Eastern Washington
>datacenter, we would love to help. :)   Depending on where on the east
>side of the state, the power costs range from a low of about $0.015 KWh
>to about $0.070 KWh and it is all hydro.
>
>John van Oppen
>Spectrum Networks LLC
>206.973.8302 (Direct)
>206.973.8300 (main office)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of jp
>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:11 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Data Center Facility Costs
>
>
>As much as I'd love to invite you all to be customers, don't come to
>Maine.
>
>We pay about $0.16 per KWH, making the power bill the major component
in
>
>a customer's colocation bill. We save a worthwhile amount of money in
>the winter by mixing some outdoor air, but it's not substantial enough
>to affect colo customer's bills.
>
>If you were on a Maine island with power, it might be $0.28-0.55 per
>KWH.
>
>On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:38AM -0500, Jeff Koch wrote:
> >
> > I changed the title a little to reflect the changed conversation
about
>the
> > cost of running a data center.
> >
> > Anyway, are there parts of the country where the cost of running a
>data
> > center are substantially cheaper? Maybe where the cost of power is 3
>cents
> > per KW or maybe where the climate is cooler and you can just open
the
>doors
> > (figuratively speaking) to cool the servers. Since electricity seems
>to be
> > the greatest operating cost where's the best place to locate a DC?
> >
> >
> >
> > At 06:43 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote:
> > >joe mcguckin wrote:
> > >
> > >>I don't think it costs $276 to reject the heat. Most modern HVAC
>systems
> > >>have something like a 4:1 effeciency factor, so it probably really
> > >>costs something like $70 for cooling...
> > >
> > >Check the archives of NANOG42 (you're on the attendee list too...)
>and
> > >you'll see someone (multiple people?) quote the figures I used.  I
> > >recently attended a cooling seminar (thanks Digital Realty Trust!)
>and
> > >they quoted a facility that had metered their "stuff" and were
>stunned by
> > >the results.
> > >
> > >Note that I lumped things together as "infrastructure", not just
>direct
> > >cooling.
> > >
> > >pt
> > >
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> >
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Jeff Koch, Intersessions 

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