RE: Data Center Facility Costs

"Kevin Kargel" <kkargel-BvA0c2rBOuxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
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It's a shame you are having these experiences with your telco.  I will
take some exception and let you know they aren't all like what you are
describing.  Yes, all telco's are in business to make money, just as
your ISP is, and they are just as unlikely to give away service for free
as you are.

I am part of an independent ILEC and we actually enjoy our ISP customers
and appreciate the business they give us. 

> 
> If you are right about something and they are wrong, and it's 
> important to your business, be prepaped to spend 6 digits and 
> 2 years in court and at your state capitol for something 
> normal people hash out over a beer or coffee in an hour or two.
> 
If you deal with your independent rural telco I think you will find they
are much more willing to do custom services and configurations for you.
This is because they have few customers like you so you are pretty much
a custom installation anyway, hence tailoring the service to fit you
needs is not so far from the norm.  I will agree that when you deal with
the "big" ILECs they rather demand that you conform to their rubber
stamp service offering.

> Rural areas get the hand-me-downs from the big markets when 
> it comes to technology. 
As one of the first ISP's (if not the first) in the world to offer
broadband service over MMDS licensed frequencies, I refute the above
statement.  We work hard as a rural telco to provide state of the art
services to our rural customers.  I am sure many other rural telco's
work with the same philosophy.  Many of the peer rural telco's I know
are dedicated to providing bleeding edge services to their rural
customers.  We are also ready to start routing IPv6 to our customers as
soon as it is available from the tier two providers we have access to.  

> 

> The Independent telcos are truly independent and do exactly 
> what they want, and find a way to charge for it under the 
> NECA tariffs. If it's not NECA tariff material, they aren't 
> terribly motivated to invest. I do DSL in the service area of 
> one, and they charge me $2K/month for a t3 to go across the 
> street, and another $2K/month for the t3 to crossconnect 
> within their CO to their ATM switch. 

hmm..  you think $4K for a 45 meg CLR is excessive?  Do you have other
places that will sell you committed bandwidth with an SLA for less?

> They do overbuild a 
> little into the Verizon area, but aren't motivated to sell me 
> any more dark fiber there, since they are getting tight on 
> capacity and aren't yet willing to increase their capacity 
> and build out on 1 pole on the 1/2 mile existing route I 
> need. Apparently this recession isn't making them any more 
> hungry, or the million dollars a year they get from the 
> universal service fund for switching is sufficient to ensure 
> their stability without them needing to persue new business 
> opportunities.
> 
> 

There is nothing stopping you from plowing in your own fiber for that
half mile you need and taking service from the Telco where they can
provide it. Well, nothing except not wanting to invest the same money
you are criticizing the telco for not wanting to invest.  Telco's, like
any business including yours, are motivated by ROI..  If you can offer
them a reasonable return on their investment then I am sure they will
jump at the chance to provide you service.  If you want them to invest
tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for a short term contract It is
understandable that they are hesitant.

There is also nothing stopping you from plowing fiber directly to the
tier two provider and dealing directly with them.  Well, again, nothing
except the huge investment that the telco makes and expects a return on.

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