Re: Data Center Facility Costs

Good to hear. Consider our differences in experiences proof your company 
does things substantially better than average.

The $4k for 45mbps is not Internet bandwidth. It's just for access 
across the street from the CO for connecting into their DSL ATM system. 
 
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:35:59AM -0500, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> It's a shame you are having these experiences with your telco.  I will
> take some exception and let you know they aren't all like what you are
> describing.  Yes, all telco's are in business to make money, just as
> your ISP is, and they are just as unlikely to give away service for free
> as you are.
> 
> I am part of an independent ILEC and we actually enjoy our ISP customers
> and appreciate the business they give us. 
> 
> > 
> > If you are right about something and they are wrong, and it's 
> > important to your business, be prepaped to spend 6 digits and 
> > 2 years in court and at your state capitol for something 
> > normal people hash out over a beer or coffee in an hour or two.
> > 
> If you deal with your independent rural telco I think you will find they
> are much more willing to do custom services and configurations for you.
> This is because they have few customers like you so you are pretty much
> a custom installation anyway, hence tailoring the service to fit you
> needs is not so far from the norm.  I will agree that when you deal with
> the "big" ILECs they rather demand that you conform to their rubber
> stamp service offering.
> 
> > Rural areas get the hand-me-downs from the big markets when 
> > it comes to technology. 
> As one of the first ISP's (if not the first) in the world to offer
> broadband service over MMDS licensed frequencies, I refute the above
> statement.  We work hard as a rural telco to provide state of the art
> services to our rural customers.  I am sure many other rural telco's
> work with the same philosophy.  Many of the peer rural telco's I know
> are dedicated to providing bleeding edge services to their rural
> customers.  We are also ready to start routing IPv6 to our customers as
> soon as it is available from the tier two providers we have access to.  
> 
> > 
> 
> > The Independent telcos are truly independent and do exactly 
> > what they want, and find a way to charge for it under the 
> > NECA tariffs. If it's not NECA tariff material, they aren't 
> > terribly motivated to invest. I do DSL in the service area of 
> > one, and they charge me $2K/month for a t3 to go across the 
> > street, and another $2K/month for the t3 to crossconnect 
> > within their CO to their ATM switch. 
> 
> hmm..  you think $4K for a 45 meg CLR is excessive?  Do you have other
> places that will sell you committed bandwidth with an SLA for less?
> 
> > They do overbuild a 
> > little into the Verizon area, but aren't motivated to sell me 
> > any more dark fiber there, since they are getting tight on 
> > capacity and aren't yet willing to increase their capacity 
> > and build out on 1 pole on the 1/2 mile existing route I 
> > need. Apparently this recession isn't making them any more 
> > hungry, or the million dollars a year they get from the 
> > universal service fund for switching is sufficient to ensure 
> > their stability without them needing to persue new business 
> > opportunities.
> > 
> > 
> 
> There is nothing stopping you from plowing in your own fiber for that
> half mile you need and taking service from the Telco where they can
> provide it. Well, nothing except not wanting to invest the same money
> you are criticizing the telco for not wanting to invest.  Telco's, like
> any business including yours, are motivated by ROI..  If you can offer
> them a reasonable return on their investment then I am sure they will
> jump at the chance to provide you service.  If you want them to invest
> tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for a short term contract It is
> understandable that they are hesitant.
> 
> There is also nothing stopping you from plowing fiber directly to the
> tier two provider and dealing directly with them.  Well, again, nothing
> except the huge investment that the telco makes and expects a return on.
> 
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