Re: opt-out registry comments

Something else to perhaps think about...
What would the phishing/banking fraud mails fall under?
Are they included as spam?

A lot of us view it as spam but in more stricter terms it is deemed criminal
activity.
However we treat it as "Spam" to include when we update SA/Spam Filter
rules, etc.

It also does not stop at Banking... 419 scams, etc.
There are so many forms of scamming and criminal activity that I'm afraid by
starting to classify this we are simply widening the grey area.
Surely the approach should be that any means of attempted communication is
not allowed unless there is a relationship already in place.
Perhaps one of the arguments to rather support an Opt-In system?

Regards,
Paul

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Subject: Re: [IOZ] opt-out registry comments

On 2011/08/02 11:26 PM, Colin Alston wrote:
> Just because additional costs are unknown doesn't invalidate the 
> argument for bandwidth costs. The figures aren't represented as 
> anything more than bandwidth cost, and the model is simple - average 
> ingres spam per user * estimated users in SA * median size per message 
> * median cost.

So lets model the various scenarios that may apply.

1. just delete it

    (cost to receive spam) + (time to press delete)

    eg for 1 unsolicited email and 6 million recipients
       (6million*R0.00613) and (6million*1 second)
        = R36780 avg bandwidth charges and 69.44 days in sequential seconds
       or
        = R36780 avg bandwidth charges and 1'ish semi-parallel second

2. add to filters (manually or with levels of automation), then delete

    (time adding to filters) + (costs from 1.)

3. Report, filter, delete

    (time reporting spam to one or more entities) + (costs from 2.)

4. Unsubscribe, report, filter, delete

    (unsubscribe x number spam received, possibly with screenshots) +
    (costs from 3.)

5. complain on repeat spam after unsubscribe, report, filter, delete,

    (time spent lodging a complaint) + (costs from 4.)

6. Add yourself to a DNC list, get spam, unsubscribe, report, filter, delete

    (time adding addresses/numbers to 3rd party list) + (costs from 4.)

7. Buy an antispam solution, get false positives, lose a sale

   (cost of antispam) + (time spent diagnosing the problem) + (lost sale)

Any other models that apply?

How do we measure the cost of a person's time?
- do we use minimum wage?
- how do courts value a citizen's time? does it vary between say a doctor
  and a ward of the state?

How do we measure the cost of bandwidth?
- do we use what a consumer pays for 10mb increments of mobile data?
- do we use what TENET pays to Seacom to service a massive network?
- or the average/median cost to the consumer?

How do we measure the actual cost of spam in bandwidth?
- do we use average size * determined b/w cost?
- do we use overall size * determined b/w cost?

How do we cost antispam solutions?
- some are free, except for some time (eg spamassassin)
- others cost money

So far we have my proposed costs for part of item 1, and a rough estimate of
how long it takes to press delete. The rest is awfully complicated.

--
Bretton
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