Re: net neutrality - explained in a humourous way

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Simeon Miteff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 01 Jul 2014, at 3:28 PM, Hendrik Visage <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The issue is more somethings like we have in South Africa: only Telkom
>> provides ADSL service. there they have (for example) only Comcast that provides cable TV in
>> specific areas/states.
> <snip>
>> Now NetFlix is a competition to those cable TV networks, so then why
>> can't they limit NetFlix on their cables if that's a competition? Why
>> should they peer with NetFlix if that's a competition?
>
> Because, as you rightly point out, they have a monopoly on the last mile, so:
> 1) if the provider sabotages Netflix's service, the customer can't vote with his/her feet;
> 2) consequently the provider can extort money out of Netflix.
>
>> It's called a captive audience/clientele, yes, we freedom fighters
>> hate that idea, but that is a different story.
>
> It seems (from your remarks) that you don't believe this use of market power amounts to abuse, but many other people do (hence we have competition laws - something that dates back to Roman times).

So, how much dust have you kicked up thus far on the MTN/Vodacom/CellC
charging exorbitant charges for VoIP type calls over their data
networks? (Or just even them reserving that right in their contracts
etc.?)

I don't say it's necessarily good nor bad, but then again, my
political view is that all voters are a captive audience, again I've
not say it either good nor bad, more like stating the actual state of
affairs.

>> Now the "solution" would be similar to South Africa where Telkom
>> provides last mile access to the ISPs (like
>> Axxess/OpenWeb/AfriHost/Vodacom/MTN/IS/etc.) inside the exchanges,
>> much like the carrier select offered in other countries, but for that
>> you'll need to open up not a government/parastatal organization, but
>> you'll actually  be telling a company (like
>> IS/Vodacom/MTN/NeoTel/etc.) to share their networks with others...
>
> This is another regulatory solution to the problem. How is forcing providers to wholesale their infrastructure to their competition more acceptable to you than enforcing network neutrality?

It's the exact same issue, just a different picture/view on the same
core issue: GREED, but then again we are talking about the ultimate in
greed that is involved: politicians.

> One approach limits the control required to be abusive, the other bans abuse...

When you come to think of it, what is the difference?

> I think the latter is less draconian.

6 or half a dozen?

I might sound fatalistic, as I see the end nearing, however, the first
thing to remember: We have people that want to make MONEY, they are
GREEDY, and the more they can get, the better. Any and all methods
that in any way impacts their income stream (that they use to measure
their happiness /etc.), WILL be opposed... in whichever sneaky way
they can!

The solution is always to provide a choice, but when you are captive,
then well... what is your choice.

Think of this in terms of Comcast (a cable TV provider) that have a
diminishing returns from their  TV operations, ie. their raison
d'etre, and their income from being an ISP (something that was an
add-on to boot off with!) is not really paying off their
infrastructure investments, and now they have a competition that even
further diminish their TV incomes, ie. they are facing operational
shutdown in the long term! Now the users on those links when Comcast
closed their doors??

To be frank and Honest, WAY back circa 2000, (check my CV for
employer) it was already proposed to have people/customers pay per
SERVICE, ie. I'll give you this performance on http, and this on
email/smtp and this on ssh... now I wonder how that differs from
today's ISPs "throttling"/"shaping"/"etc." our *un*capped links? (even
capped links have the same)

Yours seeing the problems and no real solutions other than capitalism
playing it out... but then communism, fascism, Marxism and socialism
enters to have a play each.

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