Re: Google and the South African Internet

The reactions here fairly much reflects what I expected.

Whether mybroadband.co.za are members of ispa or not, is hardly even
relevant at all and yet, this is what we are now talking about. (or
whether ispa is helpful, or not - of which my experience are that they
are indeed, still non relevant... )

The issues are bullying and privacy.

the fact that anonymous bullies can make seemingly personal comments
and express opinions on private people (calling them Internet
personalities?) and that Google treats same as 'trusted' enough to list
it high on search results for many years, this somehow is not as
concerning as whether the "news" platform is even ethical or not, etc.

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Anyway Dominic, for the record: There are THREE Andre Coetzee's.. (on
Internet/IT in total I have counted over 176 of us in South Africa 
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please look: @coetzeeandre @andrecoetzee then search for archives  on
gmane.org - I though, am the only one of the three where my 9 yerar old
son's website is listed (http://andre.co.za) I am also one of the two
Linux one's, so the comments regarding Linux sysadmins are
pointed at me - or the other Andre Coetzee? I am not litigious though,
at all, so that is not this Andre Coetzee... one or two of the other
comments are also NOT ME!

So, now I have to attract/bear ALL the negativity and all the apparent
"bad" things of all the Andre Coetzee's?

And, Dominic, it is not fair/decent/ethical that mybroadband.co.za
publishes this rubbish and still remains trusted by the Internet
Community. 

It is not even close to okay.

It is not only unbalanced, but it is also worthless and carries no
weight, yet Google.com regards it highly in search results and the
reason for that is you.

The "ISPA" membership of this "news" website passes 'page rank" (trust)
the support all of the Internet community shows this semi "news"
website, is what makes it valuable and trusted.

So, bottom line from this thread: mybroadband.co.za is an unreliable,
untrustworthy non news website with anonymous forums where anyone can
anonymously post any rubbish about anyone (or a group of people)


I see from a 2009 post that Rudolph Muller, the owner of the domain
mybroadband.co.za is called a  "coward and a liar" 
http://www.neuromance.co.za/2009/09/03/rudolph-muller-is-a-liar-and-a-coward/


So, this also explains a lot. 

I guess I would rather be all the negative things of all three Andre
Coetzee's but even in combining all three reputations none of the
Andre Coetzee's are called liars (or cowards)

btw - If the three of us combine, are we called autobots? what are the
things called again? where things combine to form one thing?

Why do you all support and love mybroadband.co.za so much? Do you like
making obnoxious anonymous comments about random people and completely
screw up their lives?

I know that some of the 'anonymous' posters are on this list...

Come on, stop being cowardly liars and say something :)

andre







On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:48:56 +0200
"Dominic" <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://ispa.org.za/membership/list-of-members/?about=531 
> 
<snipped random non relevant things here>
> On 11/12/2015 11:23, Andre Coetzee wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:01:26 +0200
> > Liam Smit <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I'd never heard of this until now... Talk about resurrecting a
> >> thread from dead...
> >> If you're unhappy about it then:
> >> 1.) Get MyBroadband to remove the forum post
> >> 2.) Get Google to remove the search result
> > the owner, [email protected] as well as the person who posted the 
> > thread, is not interested in removing it, neither is anyone at 
> > mybroadband.co.za
> >
> > Google says that they will not remove it as it is free speech.
> >
> > Legally, the main issue is not inaccurate, I was arrested.
> >
> > Is it fair? lets say you, a private person, Liam Smit, is not liked
> > by Sunday Times and you are pulled over for a normal routine
> > traffic stop...
> >
> > Is it cool for the Sunday Times to run front page, for MANY MANY
> > YEARS IN THE FUTURE: "Liam Smit pulled over by Police and then just
> > that you were pulled over, that nobody likes you and that all Ford
> > drivers suck eggs"
> >
> > Just because they can?
> >
> > Thing is Liam, until something bad/evil/unfair actually happens to 
> > you, you will nto really appreciate this.
> >
> > Imagine trying to gain a small contract so that you can buy food
> > for your 4 year old little girl and 9 year old boy and you are told 
> > "sorry, we do not want you to do the work because the police
> > arrested you"
> >
> > Bias.
> >
> > It is normal - I would not hire myself either.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:08:00 +0200
> >> Andre Coetzee <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> When I search my name on Google.com the 5th result is this:
> >>
> >> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/400259-Arrest-of-Internet-
> >> Personality-Andre-Coetzee
> >>
> >> I was arrested in 2012 at my address and held for three days by
> >> the SA Police for refusing to pay a bribe to a police officer.
> >>
> >> The 'official' reason for my arrest inside a building at my
> >> address is "refusing to provide my address to a police officer"
> >>
> >> Charges which were quite obviously withdrawn as we still have a 
> >> seemingly/sometimes functional legal system.
> >>
> >> and, other charges were of course made, etc, etc.
> >>
> >> Now go read the rubbish that 'mybroadband.co.za'/internet
> >> community publishes and http://google.com promotes as 'fact' or
> >> even closely relevant.
> >>
> >> Maybe I should have simply paid the bribe, the cop only wanted a
> >> few thousand rands as he confused me with someone else to begin
> >> with. Anyway, I digress.
> >>
> >> It is the contributions that everyone, including civil society,
> >> makes to South Africa that shapes what it is.
> >>
> >> Google views "mybroadband.co.za" as a "news" website and as
> >> seemingly has vast popular support by the community (including
> >> you) that represents the South African Internet.
> >>
> >> meanwhile, the truth is that 'mybroadband.co.za" is obviously not
> >> a "real" news website.
> >>
> >> But, you, the South African Internet users, and GOOGLE strongly 
> >> supports this "website" for some unknown reason?
> >>
> >> The result of this 'trust" is that;
> >>
> >> Every time I meet someone new or try to do new business I find
> >> myself having to explain the post and thread on mybroadband.co.za
> >>
> >> I have nothing to do with mybroadband.co.za or that thread, except 
> >> responding to it and subsequently deleting any account that I had 
> >> there
> >>
> >> On the South African Internet we will either follow the Chinese
> >> model of running a type of intranet or the Russian model, the
> >> European model (which protects private people and privacy - and
> >> the sh1t published by this 'mybroadband' and marketed by
> >> Google.com about an "internet personality' (wtf??) will never fly.
> >>
> >> But maybe South Africans like the idea of an Intranet (like China)
> >> or security cops like Russia? or what?
> >>
> >> Andre
> >>
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