Re: Google and the South African Internet

On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 20:33:55 +1100
Kieran Murphy <[email protected]> wrote:

> Andre, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who thinks you've crossed a
> line now.
> 
Great, now I need to get you to think a bit further than your nose...

> I was happy to just sit back and watch your little rant in amusement,
> but I think its time to point out a few facts.
> 
you are entitled to your views, like I am to mine, let me answer your
'facts' inline... 

> The difference here is that what you've effectively done is slander
> Aragon Gouveia.

I have not slandered anyone. Go read again, exactly what I said.

> Whereas the anonymous poster on MyBroadband was merely posting a fact.
> 
What fact are you referring to? The single fact that I was arrested?
what about the other "facts"?

> Yes, I'm sure this fact is inconvenient for you. But it remains a
> fact.
> 
I am still a private person, my privacy should be protected, I was not
convicted by a court of any wrong doing. - and again: what about the
other "facts" and that there are 176+ Andre Coetzee's (and at least 3x
IT/ICT/Internet Andre Coetzee's 2x of them Linux Guru's)

> Is it annoying that nothing can be done about it?

Again, in my case, it is done already. My posting is not so much about
myself as it is to discuss where we (South Africa) is, where we are
going (EU, Russia, US, China, Canada - etc) - and to tell the community
that mybroadband.co.za and Rudolph Muller are doing what they are doing.

Anyway, for SA, We will be going in some direction - look at the current proposed
legislation.

> But if a prospecting employer believes that doing a google search for
> such a common name and believing the results without verification is
> sufficient to impact their decisions, would you really want to work
> there anyway?
> 
No, you are right, but as I said, it is not so much about me as it is
about 1) what happened 2) why it happened 3) where are we going  and to
discuss this, so that we can all? (maybe just me) learn and grow...

> Lets just hope, for your sake, that Aragon Gouveia doesn't feel like
> taking this further, or there might be another inconvenient fact
> about you available in some public court records.
> 
There is and was no slander - just simple salient fact. 

And the fact is that our rights outweigh our responsibilities
currently.and this is changing / will change.

What we can do about it? 

Does this community, the SA Internet, support behavior and sites like
mybroadband.co.za, for example?

Should we, our press, our reporters, our bloggers have so much freedom
that it could be used destructively? 

Should we have stronger privacy protection, for example, like the
European Union?

etc. etc.

This is what I would love to talk about

Thank you for your honest and open response Kieran, it is more
constructive than other responses thus far...

Andre Coetzee (autobot/whatever number 1/2/3?)


> Regards,
> Kieran Murphy
> 
> On 12 December 2015 at 18:31, Andre Coetzee <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:48:49 +0200
> > Aragon Gouveia <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > On 2015/12/11 11:51, Andre Coetzee wrote:
> > > > I have exhausted all avenues
> > >
> > > Have you considered changing your name?
> > >
> > so this is a joke to you? maybe not, maybe you are being serious?
> >
> > Okay, lets say I do change my name, to: Aragon Gouveia
> > and I get arrested for child porn as a pedophile.
> >
> > Then Aragon Gouveia would be on the front page of all newspapers
> > and on the first page of search results, forever, as a pedofile.
> >
> > Maybe when you even search "pedophile" the name Aragon Gouveia will
> > be connected to it?
> >
> > Then, will you accept that the best advice for you, as just another
> > Aragon Gouveia, would be to change your name?
> >
> > So search results, Aragon Gouveia pedophile, would be on
> > the first page of Google, if some "respected" site, like
> > mybroadband.co.za would run an " Aragon Gouveia pedophile"
> > article... but that is not all..
> >
> > In the next few days, when you search "pedophile"  on gmane.org, you
> > will find this post...(even when you misspell it as pedofile, it
> > will also be right there...) - you will now have to go to the
> > trouble of asking for it to be removed, maybe they will - maybe
> > they will not...
> >
> > This is my life that I am talking about and also the life of my
> > still small children. Making flippant and snide remarks that serves
> > no purpose other than to bait (I am not a fish) only serves to
> > prove that which anyone with a brain probably suspected about you.
> >
> > andre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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