Re: Google and the South African Internet

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:57:10 +0200
[email protected] wrote:
<snip>
> Until then, calling you a cybersquatter is merely a label, not
> necessarily a derogatory one.  At least, I'm not aware that
> cybersquatting is illegal.
> 
With respect, you are wrong. The IOZ list is exactly the right place to
talk about cybersquatters, journalists and multi national companies
that wage reputation wars on individuals (at one stage I had over 800
traffic fines, some tickets were at the same time in two different
provinces) and many other reputational and life challenges. Simply
because technologically I threatened "interests" and it is not even
that Paul Furber is in the pocket of these interests, (as far as I
know he is not) it is far more insidious than just that.

And, with respect, you do not understand my frustration or my level of
pent up anger.

I am not a liar.

I am also not a rapist.

Dont deflect, pacify or confuse the issues, please Lucio, Simply answer
this:

I say that I am not and never have been a cybersquatter.

Paul Furber says that I am a liar.

As, Paul Furber says, I am a cybersquatter.

Then, Paul Furber, the journalist, uses language like "caught out" etc.

Now, if you look at the link that Paul Fruber is using to demonstrate
that "I have been caught lying" it is from a 2008 GLUG post.

If you ask Calvin, who is on this list, he will tell you that from
2001 right up to about two? or three years ago, the mandela.co.za
domain name, in the public whois, was actually registered in my own
name.

So, I have NEVER been hiding, I have NEVER been "caught out" at
anything. 


It all boils down to the definition of a cybersquatter. Am I a
cybersquatter, or not.

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and very simply:
mandela.co.za  IS NOT nelsonmandela.co.za or madiba.co.za

There are MORE  THAN ONE mandela.co.za person.  Some famous and many
not...
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So, Paul Frurber is WRONG.

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Not only is he wrong, but Paul Furber is a libelous slanderer.

As I am not a cybersquatter, and I have never been a cybersquatter

and, he never debated with me , he simply called me a liar and did so
in public.

Then, even if you do not agree: A Court has not proclaimed me a
cybersquatter and just because Paul Fruber (or someone else) calls me a
rapist, liar, thief, or anything else, simply does not just make it so.

So, consider this: Paul Furber is actually  a libelous slanderer. He is
also a journalist many of you read and are INFLUENCED by his articles,
opinions etc.

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> 
> Instead of a long reply, saying that I am a liar boils down to just
> one simple thing, am I a cybersquatter. This is not whether your
> opinion is that I am a cybersquatter, it is whether a court has found
> me to be that. 
> 
> I say that I am not and never have been a cybersquatter.
> 
> Paul Furber says that I am a liar.
> 
> As, Paul Furber says, I am a cybersquatter.
> 
> Then, Paul Furber, the journalist, uses language like "caught out"
> etc.
> 
> Now, if you look at the link that Paul Fruber is using to demonstrate
> that "I have been caught lying" it is from a 2008 GLUG post.
> 
> If you ask Calvin, who is on this list, he will tell you that from
> 2001 right up to about two? or three years ago, the mandela.co.za
> domain name, in the public whois, was actually registered in my own
> name.
> 
> So, I have NEVER been hiding, I have NEVER been "caught out" at
> anything. 
> 
> 
> It all boils down to the definition of a cybersquatter. Am I a
> cybersquatter, or not.
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> and very simply:
> mandela.co.za  IS NOT nelsonmandela.co.za or madiba.co.za
> 
> There are MORE  THAN ONE mandela.co.za person.  Some famous and many
> not...
> ************************************************************************
> 
> So, Paul Frurber is WRONG.
> 
> **********************************************************
> Not only is he wrong, but Paul Furber is a libelous slanderer.
> 
> As I am not a cybersquatter, and I have never been a cybersquatter
> 
> and, he never debated with me , he simply called me a liar and did so
> in public.
> 
> Then, even if you do not agree: A Court has not proclaimed me a
> cybersquatter and just because Paul Fruber (or someone else) calls me
> a rapist, liar, thief, or anything else, simply does not just make it
> so.
> 
> So, consider this: Paul Furber is actually  a libelous slanderer. He
> is also a journalist many of you read and are INFLUENCED by his
> articles, opinions etc.
> 
> **********************************************************
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:52:28 +0200
> Paul Furber <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Andre Coetzee <[email protected]>
> > wrote:  
> > >
> > > you are one of the mybraodband.co.za anonymous cowards, thank you
> > > for repeating some of your slander, here in public on this mailing
> > > list.
> > >  
> > 
> > Nope. I've never been a registered member of MyBroadband's forums. I
> > just used copy and paste technology to transfer your words there to
> > this list here.
> > 
> >   
> > > mandela.co.za domain was never owned by myself - I registered it
> > > for someone else. But, never mind that.
> > >
> > > You say that I am a liar. Lets all see if I am a liar or not::::
> > >  
> > 
> > It's trivial to _prove_ you are a liar using the Wayback machine.
> > Here's a snapshot of http://mandela.co.za from 2008:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/h44u7hm
> > 
> > At the bottom it says:
> > 
> > "This domain is owned and operated as a business, by Andre Coetzee
> > of 44 Bordeaux Drive, Bordeaux, Randburg, South Africa"
> > 
> > The content is very clearly written by you for your benefit
> > including the same lame justification for squatting on a famous
> > name that you're doing right now. But on GLUG you claimed: "I am
> > not the owner of mandela.co.za - even though my name is at
> > Uniforum" before having to retract that statement since it was
> > clearly a lie. QED.
> > 
> >   
> > > Therefore no cybersquatting can even be possible and also someone
> > > could argue that the name "mandela" is a clan/family/surname and
> > > is not patentable or registrable as a trademark...
> > >  
> > 
> > False. Cybersquatting very clearly includes buying domain names of
> > famous people and sitting on them. Our own government even said so
> > and used _you_ as a _specific example_:
> > 
> > "Cyber-squatting is when a person creates for example, a
> > Mandela.co.za domain, blocking the real Nelson Mandela from
> > establishing a domain for himself. The person would then have to
> > buy the domain name from the cyber-squatter." -
> > http://tinyurl.com/h3xp9hu quoting a press release from the old SA
> > govt. news agency.
> > 
> >   
> > > One could argue that there are more than one person with the name
> > > mandela. In fact and in truth ANYONE that registered the domain
> > > mandela.co.za will NOT be a cybersquatter or doing anything wrong
> > > or illegal, whether it be Mandla Mandela, Winnie Mandela etc etc
> > > etc etc.
> > >  
> > 
> > Except if the person is Andre Coetzee and he's got some hare-brained
> > scheme to offer email addresses like yourname-OQVi89Fm223eV8H5y9/[email protected] Then
> > there's a problem.
> > 
> > So, please tell us, Paul - with all of your credibility on the
> > line:  
> > >
> > > You say I Lied?
> > >
> > > In public on a public list?
> > >  
> > 
> > Yes. Several times. Proof supplied above with links and references.
> > 
> >   
> > > Which domain did I (this Andre Coetzee or actually any of the
> > > Andre Coetzee's) register and be a "cybersquatter?
> > >  
> > 
> > Wait! I know this one! Don't tell me - yes, it was
> > http://mandela.co.za. It says so right there on the bottom of the
> > web page and your surname isn't Mandela and the Government
> > complained at the time that the real Nelson Mandela was blocked
> > from establishing a domain for himself, a textbook example of
> > cybersquatting obvious to everyone from Barney the Dinosaur upwards
> > except you.
> > 
> >   
> > >
> > > I put it to you that:
> > >  
> > 
> > Dude, you're not Barry Roux. He grilled me last year on the stand
> > where I was an expert forensics witness - I helped prove theft of
> > R30m worth of trade secrets. Proving people are lying using
> > electronic communications in a court of law is my bread and butter.
> > 
> > As you have slandered me here, in public, that  you are in fact
> > the  
> > > same person that slandered me on mybraodband.co.za  
> > 
> > 
> > Nope. You might want to reflect that when people say unpleasant
> > things about you on multiple forums (GLUG, CLUG and MyBroadband
> > just off the top of my head) then just maybe the problem isn't them?
> > 
> >   
> > > Please also respond in public on this list, so that we can be
> > > clear that you are calling me a liar and that you have not
> > > provided the facts to back that up, yet.
> > >  
> > 
> > I am calling you a liar. Proof supplied.
> > 
> > And, there was a split, the Software Freedom day of 2009 was manned
> > by  
> > > "my" side of the split (there are actual photos..- not that the
> > > "facts" worry you much or that you care about the truth much...  
> > 
> > Next you will claim that I doctored the photographs?  
> > >  
> > 
> > You claimed that you being banned caused a 'split in the community'.
> > That is not the same thing as some of your supporters coming to
> > Software Freedom Day. The reaction of the community is a matter of
> > public record which can be easily browsed at:
> > 
> > http://www.linux.org.za/Lists-Archives/glug-chat-0903/threads.html
> > 
> > In fact, I'm pretty sure that you're the only person to be banned in
> > all of GLUG's history which is saying something.
> > 
> >   
> > > The truth is Pual Furber, that you can slander me, directly as you
> > > have done here and so obviously that anyone can see it - except
> > > yourself?
> > >
> > > But it still does not detract me from saying that we need better
> > > privacy legislation.
> > >
> > > We need to protect ourselves from people like you.
> > >  
> > 
> > If IOZ needs to remove me for wasting its time responding to all
> > this, it's cool. I'm done responding to this thread anyway.
> >   
> 
> 
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