Re: [IOZ.tech] DNS security issues at some ISPs affecting small business owners

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:05:11 +0200
[email protected] wrote:
> As to the the silence you experience, I'd suggest reading, and taking 
> advice from http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html . In
> your list emails that I see, you break a lot of the advice in that
> document, and this results in people ignoring you.
> --Calvin
> 

I guess I was more doing "telling" instead of asking....

Asking, even nicely: When will the co.za zone be signed?
and, why are there no updates, feedback, information, etc. all:

Results in no answers.

Is it not simpler and easier and less combative to simply update the
websites? to simply tell people (including myself) the answers to the
questions that you may (or may not?) know?

Or are you saying that I must ask the questions on your lists? Actually, I am 
not so clear on exactly what you are saying?


Andre

> 
> 
> On 06/06/2017 08:30, ox wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 08:00:38 +0200
> > Mogamat - TABITS <[email protected]> wrote:  
> >> On 2017-06-05 10:00 AM, Nishal Goburdhan wrote:  
> >>> tbh, i think that’s just your paranoia  :-)
> >>> ie.  don’t attribute to malice that ..
> >>> i don’t see a parallel between one ISP returning an incorrect
> >>> answer for a single domain, and the ZA DNSSEC project.  
> >> We've seen DNS spoofing attacks out of poland on MTN's DNS servers
> >> which hit us quite hard, as MTN would honour obscene TTLs and
> >> return incorrect NS ip's for our NS which redirected all our
> >> clients on MTN business/Afrihost networks. We had to escalate it
> >> through multiple channels over a number of frustrating days to get
> >> it to MTN biz NOC. We really need a professional forum for
> >> DNS/Security related matters" affecting the ZA internet - trying
> >> to check DNS propagation with the various ZA ISP;'s is a
> >> major/impossible pain for example. 
> > Have you guys been discussing the issues off list as well? I have
> > received quite a few off list emails and this community has many
> > issues.
> >
> > For one: There is a lot of fear.
> >
> > Why are people scared of the people at the registry? or at .africa ?
> > The people at the Registry (and at .africa) are nice, good and as
> > far as I know, ethical people. They do not target people who do not
> > agree with them.. Mark Elkins, Calvin Browne, Theo Kramer are the
> > good guys.
> >
> >
> > Then, I do not agree with Mogamat that we need a " professional
> > forum for DNS/Security related matters" this list is perfectly fine
> > for discussing technical issues.  Or, if there are some that feel
> > some others are not 'professional' is the idea to close off access
> > to any such new list? or what?
> >
> > The closed and secret nature of how things work in this country has
> > a lot to do with the fact that IOZ has basically died.
> >
> > I posted to the main IOZ list, something which should raise at least
> > some sort of discussion, yet, eerie silence.
> >
> > Questions about co.za DNSSEC still remains unanswered.
> >
> > Nobody is accountable? yet the co.za domain space does turnover of
> > at least R50+ million per year?
> >
> > The fact that South African ISPs are using DNS to bully smaller
> > players out of the market, makes no news...
> >
> > The fact that small businesses pay for co.za domain names and with
> > no DNSSEC could suffer financial losses due to ISPs cutbacks,
> > criminal syndicates and other reasons, makes no news...
> >
> > Already, it is impossible for new young black companies to make any
> > inroads into running their own ISP, and the larger players are
> > getting larger, more bold, more mischievious by the day.
> >   
> >
> > I am also cross posting this post to the general IOZ list. If I am
> > banned for that, so be it, the Internet Community in SA is busy
> > dying, there is only a handful of powerful players, and they make
> > the rules, set the playing field and now they are also doing evil
> > things
> >
> > all in the darkness of silence - as everyone else has their own
> > agenda (or are simply ignorant)
> >
> > Andre
> >
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