Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF
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Where do you think innovation in corporate network gear comes from? Shane > On Apr 30, 2026, at 4:17 PM, Jamie Thain via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote: > > Larry, > > You ever get Company A, buying Company B, C, D, and E, in a year and the CTO > says to you the network architect. Fix it > > That problem. Well documented the 10.x collision problem. > > That's one of them. > > Jamie > > > >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 5:14 PM Larry Brower <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> “I assume you run a pretty big network. And likely on 10.x.x.x as thats what >> everyone does. How much more convenient would it be to segment networks by >> internal ASN number I chose 127.x.x.x as local network. “ >> >> >> >> No more or less convenient than it is currently. >> >> >> >> How is “127.x.x.x” any different than “10.X.0.0 or 172.16.X.0”? >> >> How is this any better than just using IPv6 which has more than enough >> addresses? >> >> >> >> “Everything would be secured, isolated, managed, auditable. “ >> >> >> >> It is all of these things currently. I am not seeing how anything would be >> different. >> >> >> >> I fail to see the problem you are wanting to solve that hasn’t already been >> solved more or less. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> Larry Brower >> >> Network Specialist >> >> Texas Department of Insurance >> >> >> >> From: Jamie Thain <[email protected] [[email protected]]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 3:06 PM >> To: Larry Brower <[email protected] [[email protected]]> >> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected] >> [[email protected]]>; Joe Klein <[email protected] [[email protected]]> >> Subject: Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF >> >> >> >> ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or >> click on links from unknown or unexpected emails. >> >> Larry, >> >> Maybe, I am not sure the Nanog group has the same people, but some university >> students are working on it. >> >> I have one thing I am trying to finish. But let me ask you, >> >> I assume you run a pretty big network. And likely on 10.x.x.x as thats what >> everyone does. How much more convenient would it be to segment networks by >> internal ASN number I chose 127.x.x.x as local network. >> >> 127.<department>.<region>.floor. == 10 Billion IP addresses. >> >> Everything would be secured, isolated, managed, auditable. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 4:32 PM Larry Brower <[email protected] >> [[email protected]]> wrote: >> >>> " People are planning to build ipv8 right now." >>> >>> Are these people in the room with us? >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Larry Brower >>> Network Specialist >>> Texas Department of Insurance >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jamie Thain via NANOG <[email protected] [[email protected]]> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 2:29 PM >>> To: Joe Klein <[email protected] [[email protected]]> >>> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected] >>> [[email protected]]>; Jamie Thain <[email protected] [[email protected]]> >>> Subject: Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF >>> >>> ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments >>> or click on links from unknown or unexpected emails. >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> No patent apps it's all free. Corp isn't moving off ipv4 to ipv6. So ipv8 is >>> an upgrade to ipv4. >>> >>> So still need to fix the issues in ipv4/ipv6. >>> >>> Like merging to companies both using 10.x >>> >>> Unless a move is made ipv4 will still be running the warp drive. >>> >>> People are planning to build ipv8 right now. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> On Thu., Apr. 30, 2026, 12:51 p.m. Joe Klein, <[email protected] >>> [[email protected]]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is very funny! >>>> >>>> - In 2004, very talented Chinese developers worked to implement IPv9. >>>> At present there are exclusive patents, but have yet to seen any code. >>>> >>>> - Over 20 cumulative years, there are about 0.5–2 trillion IPv6 >>>> address instances, with the high side is driven by mobile devices, >>>> Wi-Fi roaming, privacy-address rotation, VMs, containers, VPNs, and >>>> tunnels. In short, this covers the ocean floor, caves, areas near >>>> Earth, and deep space. Will you and your team pay for the IPv4/IPv6 >>>> change? When will you submit the patent applications (Similary to >>> Microsoft patent for SEND/CGA)? >>>> >>>> Have fun. >>>> >>>> OO. >>>> >>>> Joe Klein >>>> >>>> "inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, >>>> Scene 1) "*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has >>> been." >>>> -- *Wayne Gretzky >>>> "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 10:51 AM Tom Beecher via NANOG < >>>> [email protected] [[email protected]]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tough love is needed here, and the list is not providing it. You're >>>>>> not being polite, you're enabling. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Only works when the recipient is actually open to receiving feedback >>>>> and collaborating. >>>>> >>>>> Reading Mr. Thain's replies here and on int-area answers that >>>>> question quite rapidly. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 2:35 AM Saku Ytti via NANOG < >>>>> [email protected] [[email protected]]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tough love is needed here, and the list is not providing it. 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