Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF

IPv8 is just as broken as IPv6.

You can start by convincing your ISP to sell you IPv8 service. Once the protocol is successfully used as an experiment between a few different ISPs and their customers, then we can standardize it.

Hey mr shareholder please give me 20 million dollars for ipv8


On 2 May 2026 05:13:49 CEST, Jamie Thain via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote:
>Andrew,
>
>The issue is for corporate and the cloud, IPv6 is just as broken as IPv4.
>
>And no corporate is migrating go look.  Its been the next big thing in
>Corporate networks for 20 years.
>
>Jamie
>
>On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 5:26 PM Andrew Kirch via NANOG <
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I oppose this.  With IPv6 traffic now representing around half of internet
>> traffic, the time to rethink has long passed.
>>
>> If IPv8 was going to be a solution, it should have been a solution 10 years
>> ago.
>>
>> In the last 12 months, ~5% of traffic migrated to IPv6.  At that rate, IPv6
>> will be fully implemented by 2035.  I'm not seeing a problem that needs to
>> be solved, or a credible solution.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 3:23 PM Jamie Thain via NANOG <
>> [email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > My name is Jamie Thain I'm the creator of IPv8. It's not a hoax.
>> >
>> > I joined this list because, as part of IPv8, I am creating a BGPv8.
>> Inside
>> > BGPv8, two new protocols CF (Cost Factor), weigh cost factors along the
>> > routes to produce a better metric. It's a hybrid of EIRGP mixed with BGP
>> to
>> > create better engineering results.
>> >
>> > I also as part of CF created Sun Tzu which is the protocol that watches
>> CF
>> > and gives you a CF score of reliability.  Do I trust my partnership with
>> > you?
>> >
>> > Now, beyond an on-slaught of IPv8 is stupid, IPv6 solves every problem,
>> > etc, etc. That's not my discussion point. My point isn't "should I even
>> > propose IPv8" my point is what would be the best result for operators?
>> >
>> > I believe that since IPv8 solves the duopoly problem, it will replace
>> > IPv4.
>> >
>> > So the things to know, IPV8 is NOT a 64 bit addressing system.
>> >
>> > It is a 32 bit routing system with a 32 bit addressing system.
>> >
>> > A Routing Number = ASNs plus others.
>> >
>> > 8.8.8.8 would become 15169.8.8.8.8
>> >
>> > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-02.html
>> > <
>> > https://l.shortlink.es/l/3ae384c1b8e2eb92749595407c5cf9b87ea
>> 3372a?u=12457652
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > So each ASN in the world will have 3 Billion available addresses.
>> >
>> > There is a specially reserved group of internal ASN 127.x.x.x so each
>> corp,
>> > org, has 16 Million areas of 3 Billion addresses, to replace 10.x.x.x and
>> > 100.64.x.x.x
>> >
>> > I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
>> >
>> > Jamie
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