Re: Whois using these ARIN services?? (fwd: Consulta tion on the Future of ARIN’s Directory Services)

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when I asked the goog^WAI about CLI rdap tools, one suggestion was
"nicinfo," apparently produced by ARIN.

deprecated, and they recommended icann-rdap, which is produced in
rust. It is still compiling on my development system as I write this.

 Compiling icann-rdap-cli v0.0.31 (/home/sthomas/src/icann-rdap/icann-rdap-cli)
    Building [=======================> ] 539/545: rdap-srv-data(bin),
rdap-test(bin), rdap(bin), rdap-srv(bin)

meanwhile, on one of the few cores not getting rusted...

<farfarello:/usr/src/usr.bin/whois% wc -l whois.c
     610 whois.c
<farfarello:/usr/src/usr.bin/whois% make
[Creating objdir /usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/usr.bin/whois...]
echo whois.full: /usr/lib/libc.a  >> .depend
cc -fpie -DPIC   -O2 -pipe -fno-common   -fPIE
-ffile-prefix-map=/usr/src=/usr/src
-ffile-prefix-map=/usr/obj/usr/src=/usr/obj -g -gz=zlib -MD
-MF.depend.whois.pieo -MTwhois.pieo -std=gnu17 -Wno-format-zero-length
-fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall
-Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual
-Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wunused-parameter -Wcast-align
-Wchar-subscripts -Wnested-externs -Wold-style-definition
-Wno-pointer-sign -Wdate-time -Wmissing-variable-declarations
-Wthread-safety -Wno-empty-body -Wno-string-plus-int
-Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-error=unused-but-set-parameter
-Wno-error=cast-function-type-mismatch  -Qunused-arguments      -c
/usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c -o whois.pieo
cc -O2 -pipe -fno-common -fPIE -ffile-prefix-map=/usr/src=/usr/src
-ffile-prefix-map=/usr/obj/usr/src=/usr/obj -g -gz=zlib -std=gnu17
-Wno-format-zero-length -fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers
-Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type
-Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wunused-parameter
-Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wnested-externs -Wold-style-definition
-Wno-pointer-sign -Wdate-time -Wmissing-variable-declarations
-Wthread-safety -Wno-empty-body -Wno-string-plus-int
-Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-error=unused-but-set-parameter
-Wno-error=cast-function-type-mismatch -Qunused-arguments  -Wl,-zrelro
-pie    -o whois.full whois.pieo
objcopy --only-keep-debug whois.full whois.debug
objcopy --strip-debug --add-gnu-debuglink=whois.debug  whois.full whois
gzip -cn /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.1 > whois.1.gz

<farfarello:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/usr.bin/whois% ls -lh whois
-rwxr-xr-x  1 sthomas wheel   17K Aug 15 19:08 whois

the icann-rdap build finally finished:
<farfarello:~/src/icann-rdap/target/release% ls -lh rdap
-rwxr-xr-x  2 sthomas sthomas   18M Aug 15 19:08 rdap

only 1000x the bits to do the same job; progress!. :)

tongue firmly in cheek, as I do love the JSON, but good grief do we
have to make everything this way? it's perfectly ok to have one
standard for machine-to-machine data exchange and a separate standard
for human consumption, especially if we rely on only one canonical
source for the data.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 12:37 PM Job Snijders via NANOG
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 10:19:23AM -0700, Randy Bush via NANOG wrote:
> > can we assume there will be somewhat finger compatible CLI client tools
> > for most platforms?
>
> I know of two tools, both seem useful:
>
> https://openrdap.org/ (doas pkg_add openrdap)
>
>         $ openrdap 192.0.2.1 | head
>         IP Network:
>           Handle: NET-192-0-2-0-1
>           Start Address: 192.0.2.0
>           End Address: 192.0.2.255
>           IP Version: v4
>           Name: TEST-NET-1
>
> https://metacpan.org/dist/App-rdapper (doas pkg_add rdapper)
>
>         $ rdapper rg.net
>         Object type: Domain Name
>         URL: https://rdap.joker.com/domain/rg.net
>         Name: RG.NET
>         Nameserver: NLNS.GLOBNIX.NET
>         Nameserver: NS1.RG.NET
>           IP Address: 46.224.94.61
>           IP Address: 2a01:4f8:1c1a:5360::1
>         Nameserver: RIP.PSG.COM
>           IP Address: 147.28.0.39
>           IP Address: 2001:418:1::39
>         DS Record: rg.net. 1 IN DS 12391 8 2
>           0fb5f11e4fe4045d519a55915bd71d6dcfb1fa045b01be891640c8ea1c0792c9
>         Registration: 1993-04-28T04:00:00Z
>         Last Changed: 2025-12-23T03:23:28Z
>         Expiration: 2028-04-29T04:00:00Z
>         Last update of RDAP database: 2026-08-14T17:25:00Z
>         ...
>
> > and a staged trasition, to allow for lot of automation that is gonna
> > have to change.
>
> Yes, perhaps so.
>
> However, the usual "RIR IRR source -> NRTM -> IRRd instance -> query utility"
> flow seems out-of-scope for the proposal, right?
>
> > speaking of automation, sure would be nice if the rirs were compatible.
>
> For posterity it might be worth to repeat what exactly the incompatibilities
> are and what ARIN (or other RIRs) can do to improve.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
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