Re: [nznog] Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster broadband speeds
Shane Ronan <[email protected]> Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:45:30 -0500
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--000000000000695594060b780320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that really an appropriate response for NANOG? On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Geoffrey Jackson < [email protected]> wrote: > Pussy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht <[email protected]> > Sent: 2 December 2023 7:11 AM > To: Shane Ronan <[email protected]> > Cc: Tom Mitchell <[email protected]>; NANOG <[email protected]>; > NZNOG <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: [nznog] Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for > faster broadband speeds > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Shane Ronan <[email protected]= om> > wrote: > > > > If you want money from the government to subsidize your network, you'll > follow their rules... > > It is the misguided focus on too many too simple things from the regulato= r > and Congress, without even understanding what a packet is, and enormous > subsidies for things that don't matter, and great mis-understanding of th= e > things that do, that bothers me the most. > > Anyway, for 14 years, I have been trying to get bufferbloat fixed, > universally, and great progress is being made. I felt that with one > political push like this, it might begin to turn the tide. We are accepti= ng > signatures on the FCC filing until 2PM EST today. > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLM= BY4vH4/edit > > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:39=E2=80=AFPM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelas= tic.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run > networks. Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal > ;-) Let it be a point of differentiation. > >> > >> -- Tom > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht <[email protected]= > wrote: > >>> > >>> Over here: > >>> > >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-Qmh > >>> lYRLMBY4vH4/edit > >>> > >>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the > >>> FCC's NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing > >>> the broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit. > >>> > >>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for > >>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without > >>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering > >>> wheels, (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these > >>> initiatives will fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present > >>> and future users of the internet." > >>> > >>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in > flux... > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab > >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > > > > -- > :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave > T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an > email to [email protected] > > > --000000000000695594060b780320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Is that really an appropriate response for NANOG?</div><br= ><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, D= ec 1, 2023 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Geoffrey Jackson <<a href=3D"mailto:geoffr= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<b= r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pussy.<br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Dave Taht <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>> <br> Sent: 2 December 2023 7:11 AM<br> To: Shane Ronan <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bl= ank">[email protected]</a>><br> Cc: Tom Mitchell <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"= _blank">[email protected]</a>>; NANOG <<a href=3D"mailto:nanog= @nanog.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>; NZNOG <<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= z</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">aus= [email protected]</a><br> Subject: [nznog] Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for fa= ster broadband speeds<br> <br> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Shane Ronan <<a href=3D"mailto:s= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wro= te:<br> ><br> > If you want money from the government to subsidize your network, you&#= 39;ll follow their rules...<br> <br> It is the misguided focus on too many too simple things from the regulator = and Congress, without even understanding what a packet is, and enormous sub= sidies for things that don't matter, and great mis-understanding of the= things that do, that bothers me the most.<br> <br> Anyway, for 14 years, I have been trying to get bufferbloat fixed, universa= lly, and great progress is being made. I felt that with one political push = like this, it might begin to turn the tide. We are accepting signatures on = the FCC filing until 2PM EST today.<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK= -QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.goo= gle.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit</a><br= > <br> > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:39=E2=80=AFPM Tom Mitchell <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</= a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run n= etworks.=C2=A0 Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fata= l ;-)=C2=A0 Let it be a point of differentiation.<br> >><br> >> -- Tom<br> >><br> >><br> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht <<a href=3D"m= ailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wr= ote:<br> >>><br> >>> Over here:<br> >>><br> >>> <a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9R= e_pUvrb5Qe5OK-Qmh" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google= .com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-Qmh</a><br> >>> lYRLMBY4vH4/edit<br> >>><br> >>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to t= he <br> >>> FCC's NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to in= creasing <br> >>> the broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.<br> >>><br> >>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to c= alling for <br> >>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Wi= thout <br> >>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering = <br> >>> wheels, (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these <b= r> >>> initiatives will fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of p= resent <br> >>> and future users of the internet."<br> >>><br> >>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat= in flux...<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> --<br> >>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: <a href=3D"https://ti= nyurl.com/yurtlab" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tinyurl.com= /yurtlab</a> <br> >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos<br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: <a href=3D"https://tinyurl.com/yur= tlab" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab</a> = Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos ______________________________________________= _<br> NZNOG mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D= "_blank">[email protected]</a> To unsubscribe send an email to <a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">nznog-leave@= list.waikato.ac.nz</a><br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000695594060b780320--