## SwiNOG #36 - November 14th - Agenda (preview) ##

Simon Ryf <[email protected]> Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:57:51 +0000
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Dear SwiNOGers,

the Agenda is almost complete and we=92re (almost) ready for the 14th of No=
vember.
Below is a preview for the agenda (in random order). You can also let us kn=
ow what you expect or wish to hear by answering to the mailing list. The Sp=
eakers are also listening ;-)

Please register now: https://register.swinog.ch/

30min | AI in Networking | J=F6rg Ammon (Extreme Networks)
AI is gaining momentum to solve problems that are difficult for humans as i=
t requires analytics of huge amounts of data. This talk discusses attempts =
to apply similar methodology to problems in networking.

25min | The Future of Passive Multiplexing and Multiplexing Beyond 10G | Wo=
uter van Diepen (Alturna Networks/Solid Optics)
The Future of Passive Multiplexing and Multiplexing Beyond 10G. In the past=
, it was easy to change your optical network from 1G to 10G by simply chang=
ing the transceiver, but what if you want to do more than 10G? What if you =
want to go beyond 80km? What are your options and why is there no QSFP28-DW=
DM-ZR? These are the central questions in this presentation. We will cover =
the 3 =93ingredients=94 of Multiplexing: The Fiber, the Passive Mux, and th=
e Transceiver, and talk about the limitations and possibilities of multiple=
 times 100G over one fiber pair. We will also cover the following topics: T=
he challenges that arise due to attenuation and chromatic dispersion; Diffe=
rent types of Multiplexers - Cascaded TFF and AWG (including Gaussian Fit a=
nd Flat Top); ITU Grids such as DWDM and the new LWDM band (often used for =
5G deployment); Modulation & Coherent 100G/200G/400G; How to use QSFP28 DWD=
M PAM4; and what is coming in 2020 - 400G DWDM QSFP-DD. At the end of this =
talk, you will understand the future of 100G multiplexing and how it can fi=
t into your network.

30min | the complexity of hyper speed transceivers =96 let=92s make it | Th=
omas Weible (Flexoptix GmbH)
Thomas will describe in detail the structures inside optical transceivers. =
A Transmitter / Receiver Optical Sub Assembly (TOSA / ROSA) is no longer ju=
st a diode in a housing handling the light path to and fro to the fiber. Th=
e performance increases from 10G to 100G onwards to 400G - are not only gia=
nt steps in bandwidth there are matching leaps in manufacturing.
How did the optical industry players around the globe make it possible to s=
queeze everything into the tiny form factors we see today? It is all about =
precision - a microscope with a calm and competent hand is no longer suffic=
ient, now it is about; nano tolerances, testing, complex transceiver firmwa=
re and a shed load of money.
This is the high precision optical mechanical engineering revolution which =
fuels the hyper growth of data centers and optical networking worldwide=85
If you face design issues with your current optical network design Thomas w=
ill give insights into the latest 40G to 400G transceiver developments (e.g=
. long distance 80km) which you can expect to see in the upcoming months. H=
opefully this might save you some headaches. As a small =84one more thing" =
Thomas will dive into the basics of how FEC compensates for errors caused b=
y PAM4 modulation.

10min | RPKI, a piece of pie | Will van Gulik (Saitis - Nimag Networks / Ro=
mandIX)
RPKI is something we hear about everywhere nowadays. Is it hard to deploy?

30min | A new approach to select SIEM Use Cases by avoiding events per seco=
nd estimations | Pascal Imthurn (ISPIN AG)
Did you ever experience the challenge to identify the adequate SIEM use cas=
es to fulfil not only the compliance driven requirements but also the abili=
ty to have a high security detection coverage from day one? How can you ens=
ure you will detect all attacks respectively you collect, and analysis all =
required events to identify anomalies?
We will introduce a comprehensive approach to directly address the challeng=
e of SIEM use case identification and selection. In addition, we explain th=
e answer of the problem of having a high detection maturity from day one wi=
th still a price efficient strategy and the capability to scale easily. Mor=
eover, we present a recommended solution method to respond to attacks immed=
iately, focused to the origin of the attack and to be able to collect all r=
elevant data for additional investigations.

10min | How to build a typical home network | Pascal Gloor (Quickline AG)
beyond and above all expectations

30min | NBIP | Pim van Stam  (Infomaniak Network SA)
The director of NBIP would share the experience in seting up a multi-organi=
zation not for profit fundation to provide a DDoS mitigation and protection=
 platform for national ISPs.

5min | Rheintal Internet Exchange | Thomas Fritz (Rheintal IX)
Short introduction of the small Internet Exchange in the Rheintal region sp=
read over FL, AT and CH.

30min | Weird and broken BGP on the Internet | Martin Winter (Hurricane Ele=
ctric)
The presentation gives a quick introduction to the RT-BGP tool (https://rt-=
bgp.he.net) and then we spend most of the time looking at issues seen with =
it. An example of few weird and broken BGP announcements as currently seen =
on the Internet by it are then discussed.

15min | Poor man's explanation why IPv6 is stalling in CH | Jean-Pierre Sch=
wickerath (HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting AG)
As a service provider for SME, we use on default ISP products for internet =
connectivity. The presentation will provide an overview of our experience w=
ith IPV6 on those products and where we believe improvements are (over)due.

20min | IP design and exploitation of Geneva city transport network | Grego=
ire Huet (TPG)
How the IP network for 700 vehicles has been designed. From hardware constr=
aints to BGP implementation and up to TICK monitoring and alerting.
@Mobile IP, @BGP, @Linux, @Cisco, @NetModule, @Swisscom CNA, @SNMP, @TICK, =
@Grafana

15min | tbd/Cybersecurity | Levente Dobszay (Electrosuisse)
tbd/Cybersecurity


I like to thank you for our sponsors =96 without them we would have no SwiN=
OG !!!

Extreme Networks
ngworx
Alturna Networks
SWITCH
Centurylink
RIPE NCC

Final agenda with Schedule will be published soon. Till then=85

Br
Simon
SwiNOG

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE-CH" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Dear=
 SwiNOGers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE-CH" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">the Agenda is almos=
t complete and we=92re (almost) ready for the 14<sup>th</sup> of November.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Below is a preview =
for the agenda (in random order). You can also let us know what you expect =
or wish to hear by answering to the mailing list. The Speakers are also lis=
tening ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt">Please register =
now: <a href=3D"https://register.swinog.ch/">
https://register.swinog.ch/</a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">30min | AI in Ne=
tworking | J=F6rg Ammon (Extreme Networks)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">AI is gaining momen=
tum to solve problems that are difficult for humans as it requires analytic=
s of huge amounts of data. This talk discusses attempts to apply similar me=
thodology to problems in networking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">25min | The Futu=
re of Passive Multiplexing and Multiplexing Beyond 10G | Wouter van Diepen =
(Alturna Networks/Solid Optics)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The Future of Passi=
ve Multiplexing and Multiplexing Beyond 10G. In the past, it was easy to ch=
ange your optical network from 1G to 10G by simply changing the transceiver=
, but what if you want to do more than
 10G? What if you want to go beyond 80km? What are your options and why is =
there no QSFP28-DWDM-ZR? These are the central questions in this presentati=
on. We will cover the 3 =93ingredients=94 of Multiplexing: The Fiber, the P=
assive Mux, and the Transceiver, and
 talk about the limitations and possibilities of multiple times 100G over o=
ne fiber pair. We will also cover the following topics: The challenges that=
 arise due to attenuation and chromatic dispersion; Different types of Mult=
iplexers - Cascaded TFF and AWG
 (including Gaussian Fit and Flat Top); ITU Grids such as DWDM and the new =
LWDM band (often used for 5G deployment); Modulation &amp; Coherent 100G/20=
0G/400G; How to use QSFP28 DWDM PAM4; and what is coming in 2020 - 400G DWD=
M QSFP-DD. At the end of this talk,
 you will understand the future of 100G multiplexing and how it can fit int=
o your network.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">30min | the comp=
lexity of hyper speed transceivers =96 let=92s make it | Thomas Weible (Fle=
xoptix GmbH)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thomas will describ=
e in detail the structures inside optical transceivers. A Transmitter / Rec=
eiver Optical Sub Assembly (TOSA / ROSA) is no longer just a diode in a hou=
sing handling the light path to and
 fro to the fiber. The performance increases from 10G to 100G onwards to 40=
0G - are not only giant steps in bandwidth there are matching leaps in manu=
facturing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">How did the optical=
 industry players around the globe make it possible to squeeze everything i=
nto the tiny form factors we see today? It is all about precision - a micro=
scope with a calm and competent hand
 is no longer sufficient, now it is about; nano tolerances, testing, comple=
x transceiver firmware and a shed load of money.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">This is the high pr=
ecision optical mechanical engineering revolution which fuels the hyper gro=
wth of data centers and optical networking worldwide=85<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">If you face design =
issues with your current optical network design Thomas will give insights i=
nto the latest 40G to 400G transceiver developments (e.g. long distance 80k=
m) which you can expect to see in the
 upcoming months. Hopefully this might save you some headaches. As a small =
=84one more thing&quot; Thomas will dive into the basics of how FEC compens=
ates for errors caused by PAM4 modulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">10min | RPKI, a =
piece of pie | Will van Gulik (Saitis - Nimag Networks / RomandIX)<o:p></o:=
p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">RPKI is something w=
e hear about everywhere nowadays. Is it hard to deploy?<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">30min | A new ap=
proach to select SIEM Use Cases by avoiding events per second estimations |=
 Pascal Imthurn (ISPIN AG)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Did you ever experi=
ence the challenge to identify the adequate SIEM use cases to fulfil not on=
ly the compliance driven requirements but also the ability to have a high s=
ecurity detection coverage from day
 one? How can you ensure you will detect all attacks respectively you colle=
ct, and analysis all required events to identify anomalies?<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">We will introduce a=
 comprehensive approach to directly address the challenge of SIEM use case =
identification and selection. In addition, we explain the answer of the pro=
blem of having a high detection maturity
 from day one with still a price efficient strategy and the capability to s=
cale easily. Moreover, we present a recommended solution method to respond =
to attacks immediately, focused to the origin of the attack and to be able =
to collect all relevant data for
 additional investigations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">10min | How to b=
uild a typical home network | Pascal Gloor (Quickline AG)<o:p></o:p></span>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">beyond and above al=
l expectations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">30min |&nbsp;NBI=
P | Pim van Stam &nbsp;(Infomaniak Network SA)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The director of NBI=
P would share the experience in seting up a multi-organization not for prof=
it fundation to provide a DDoS mitigation and protection platform for natio=
nal ISPs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE-CH" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">5=
min | Rheintal Internet Exchange | Thomas Fritz (Rheintal IX)<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Short introduction =
of the small Internet Exchange in the Rheintal region spread over FL, AT an=
d CH.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">30min | Weird an=
d broken BGP on the Internet |&nbsp;Martin Winter (Hurricane Electric)<o:p>=
</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The presentation gi=
ves a quick introduction to the RT-BGP tool (https://rt-bgp.he.net) and the=
n we spend most of the time looking at issues seen with it. An example of f=
ew weird and broken BGP announcements
 as currently seen on the Internet by it are then discussed.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">15min |&nbsp;Poo=
r man's explanation why IPv6 is stalling in CH | Jean-Pierre Schwickerath (=
HILOTEC Engineering &#43; Consulting AG)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">As a service provid=
er for SME, we use on default ISP products for internet connectivity. The p=
resentation will provide an overview of our experience with IPV6 on those p=
roducts and where we believe improvements
 are (over)due.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">20min | IP desig=
n and exploitation of Geneva city transport network | Gregoire Huet (TPG)<o=
:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">How the IP network =
for 700 vehicles has been designed. From hardware constraints to BGP implem=
entation and up to TICK monitoring and alerting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">@Mobile IP, @BGP, @=
Linux, @Cisco, @NetModule, @Swisscom CNA, @SNMP, @TICK, @Grafana<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">15min | tbd/Cybe=
rsecurity | Levente Dobszay (Electrosuisse)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">tbd/Cybersecurity<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I like to thank you=
 for our sponsors =96 without them we would have no SwiNOG !!!<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt">Extreme Networks<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.5pt">ngworx<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt">Alturna Networks<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt">SWITCH<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Centurylink<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">RIPE NCC<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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