Release number and date on chandlerproject.org

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Removing [Chandler-dev] from subject line in case this thread is  
getting filtered out for people.

I think it might be important to display the version number for Hub,  
just to make the point that we're making progress on both projects.  
Ted, do you have any thoughts on this?

I'm concerned that it's misleading to display the Desktop version  
number at the top of the page. The project as a whole isn't at  
0.7.1...only the Desktop is.

Mimi

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Philippe Bossut <pbossut-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
> Date: October 11, 2007 10:55:06 PM PDT
> To: OSAF Discussions <general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [General] Fwd: [Chandler-dev] Release number and date	 
> on	chandlerproject.org
> Reply-To: pbossut-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected], OSAF Discussions  
> <general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
>
> I agree with Heikki. Let's keep this page clear and simple. The  
> green/blue correspondence between arrows and dates will be lost on  
> most people.
>
> Cheers,
> - Philippe
>
> Heikki Toivonen wrote:
>> Mimi Yin wrote:
>>
>>> 1. The top bar (where currently there is only: Open Source  
>>> Applications
>>> Foundation) was intended to display 'news items' like new  
>>> releases. (See
>>> mock-up.)
>>>
>>
>> I've actually come to the opinion that what is on chandlerproject.org
>> now is fine. Alternatively I could see:
>>
>> ... .6 *.7* .8 ...
>>     0.7.1 - Oct 10, 2007
>>
>> The reason is that I believe most people who come to  
>> chandlerproject.org
>> will do so to download the desktop. The second most numerous group  
>> will
>> be people logging in to Hub, but IMO Hub does not need version  
>> number on
>>  chandlerproject.org. And since we want to keep the server a bit less
>> visible, just adding the server version number next to the server
>> download link like in your mockup would be fine.
>>
>>
>>> 2. We should probably have release numbers for both Desktop, Hub and
>>> Server, which should take care of Heikki's layout concerns.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think we need to specify Hub's version anywhere on
>> chandlerproject.org. Users of Hub will see the version from Hub  
>> itself.
>>
>>
>>> 3. The lack of a green download arrow for 'Download Server' is
>>> deliberate just as Jeffrey said. (Our problem doesn't seem to be  
>>> that
>>> people can't find it, but that it's still too prominent for many  
>>> end-users!)
>>>
>>
>> OK by me.
>>
>>    
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>>
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Heikki Toivonen <heikki-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
> Date: October 11, 2007 7:07:56 PM PDT
> To: OSAF Discussions <general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [General] Fwd: [Chandler-dev] Release number and date  
> on	chandlerproject.org
> Reply-To: OSAF Discussions <general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
>
> Mimi Yin wrote:
>> 1. The top bar (where currently there is only: Open Source  
>> Applications
>> Foundation) was intended to display 'news items' like new  
>> releases. (See
>> mock-up.)
>
> I've actually come to the opinion that what is on chandlerproject.org
> now is fine. Alternatively I could see:
>
> ... .6 *.7* .8 ...
>     0.7.1 - Oct 10, 2007
>
> The reason is that I believe most people who come to  
> chandlerproject.org
> will do so to download the desktop. The second most numerous group  
> will
> be people logging in to Hub, but IMO Hub does not need version  
> number on
>  chandlerproject.org. And since we want to keep the server a bit less
> visible, just adding the server version number next to the server
> download link like in your mockup would be fine.
>
>> 2. We should probably have release numbers for both Desktop, Hub and
>> Server, which should take care of Heikki's layout concerns.
>
> I don't think we need to specify Hub's version anywhere on
> chandlerproject.org. Users of Hub will see the version from Hub  
> itself.
>
>> 3. The lack of a green download arrow for 'Download Server' is
>> deliberate just as Jeffrey said. (Our problem doesn't seem to be that
>> people can't find it, but that it's still too prominent for many  
>> end-users!)
>
> OK by me.
>
> -- 
>   Heikki Toivonen
>
>
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>
> Open Source Applications Foundation "General" mailing list
> http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/general
Begin forwarded message:

> From: Reid Ellis <rae-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
> Date: October 11, 2007 2:22:38 PM PDT
> To: OSAF Discussions <general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [General] Fwd: [Chandler-dev] Release number and date  
> on chandlerproject.org
> Reply-To: OSAF Discussions <general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]>
>
> I would avoid nn/nn/nn for dates, and stick with "Oct 10, 2007"- 
> style dates.
>
> I don't think a version number is useful, and may even be confusing  
> for Chandler Hub -- "Uh-oh, I only have Chandler 0.7.x and the Hub  
> is at 0.8.x -- will they work together ok??"
>
> Was the reversing of "version product date" between server and  
> desktop around the countdown deliberate?
>
> Reid
>
> On Oct 11, 2007, at 14:34, Mimi Yin wrote:
>> Moving this discussion over to the General List.
>>
>> 1. The top bar (where currently there is only: Open Source  
>> Applications Foundation) was intended to display 'news items' like  
>> new releases. (See mock-up.)
>>
>> 2. We should probably have release numbers for both Desktop, Hub  
>> and Server, which should take care of Heikki's layout concerns.
>>
>> 3. The lack of a green download arrow for 'Download Server' is  
>> deliberate just as Jeffrey said. (Our problem doesn't seem to be  
>> that people can't find it, but that it's still too prominent for  
>> many end-users!)
>>
>> We have a longer-term problem however. Since Server/Desktop  
>> releases are no longer in lock-step, what happens when the Server  
>> is at 0.8.1? and the Desktop is at 0.7.8 or vice versa? What do we  
>> display in the top area? I have a proposed solution in the mockup  
>> below. The layout of the release timeline is rather complex, so it  
>> might need to be a graphic.
>>
>> Mimi
>>
>> <DoReleases.png>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Davor Cubranic <[email protected]>
>>> Date: October 11, 2007 11:01:57 AM PDT
>>> To: Developer Discussions <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chandler-dev] Release number and date on  
>>> chandlerproject.org
>>> Reply-To: Developer Discussions <chandler- 
>>> [email protected]>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Reid Ellis wrote:
>>>
>>>> We could keep the top text/graphic at "0.7" and mention the version
>>>> number next to the product download areas. See mock-up: http://
>>>> clith.com/chandler.html
>>>
>>> This is much better. Would the date under the timeline be for the  
>>> latest
>>> release (0.7.1, in this case)?
>>>
>>> Davor
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>>> http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev
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people.<DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I think it =
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misleading to display the Desktop version number at the top of the page. =
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<DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I agree with Heikki. Let's keep this page clear and =
simple. The green/blue correspondence between arrows and dates will be =
lost on most people.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers,</DIV><DIV =
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Heikki Toivonen wrote:</DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Mimi Yin wrote:</DIV><P =
style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">1. The top bar (where currently there is only: Open =
Source Applications</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Foundation) was intended to =
display 'news items' like new releases. (See</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">mock-up.)</DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px =
0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =
=A0</SPAN><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've =
actually come to the opinion that what is on =
chandlerproject.org</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">now is fine. Alternatively =
I could see:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">... .6 *.7* .8 ...</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>0.7.1 - Oct 10, =
2007</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">The reason is that I believe most people who come to =
chandlerproject.org</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">will do so to download the =
desktop. The second most numerous group will</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">be people logging in to Hub, but IMO Hub does not =
need version number on</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN>chandlerproject.org. And since =
we want to keep the server a bit less</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">visible, =
just adding the server version number next to the server</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">download link like in your mockup would be =
fine.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><P =
style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">2. We should probably have release numbers for both =
Desktop, Hub and</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Server, which should take care =
of Heikki's layout concerns.</DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px =
0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =
=A0</SPAN><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I don't =
think we need to specify Hub's version anywhere on</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">chandlerproject.org. Users of Hub will see the =
version from Hub itself.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; =
min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0</SPAN><BR=
 class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">3. The lack of a green download arrow for 'Download =
Server' is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">deliberate just as Jeffrey said. =
(Our problem doesn't seem to be that</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">people can't =
find it, but that it's still too prominent for many end-users!)</DIV><P =
style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0</SPAN><BR =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">OK by =
me.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Open =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR =
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style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Heikki Toivonen &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:heikki-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]">heikki-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]</A>&gt;<=
/FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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#000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">October 11, 2007 7:07:56 PM =
PDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">OSAF Discussions &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]">general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]</A>&gt=
;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [General] Fwd: [Chandler-dev] =
Release number and date on<SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</SPAN>chandlerproject.org</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">OSAF =
Discussions &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]">general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]</A>&gt=
;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Mimi Yin wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">1. The top bar (where currently there is only: Open =
Source Applications</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Foundation) was intended to =
display 'news items' like new releases. (See</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">mock-up.)</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've actually =
come to the opinion that what is on chandlerproject.org</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">now is fine. Alternatively I could see:</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">... .6 =
*.7* .8 ...</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 </SPAN>0.7.1 - Oct 10, =
2007</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">The reason is that I believe most people who come to =
chandlerproject.org</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">will do so to download the =
desktop. The second most numerous group will</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">be people logging in to Hub, but IMO Hub does not =
need version number on</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN>chandlerproject.org. And since =
we want to keep the server a bit less</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">visible, =
just adding the server version number next to the server</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">download link like in your mockup would be =
fine.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2. We should probably have =
release numbers for both Desktop, Hub and</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Server, =
which should take care of Heikki's layout concerns.</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I don't think we need to specify Hub's version =
anywhere on</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">chandlerproject.org. Users of =
Hub will see the version from Hub itself.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">3. The lack of a green download arrow for 'Download =
Server' is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">deliberate just as Jeffrey said. =
(Our problem doesn't seem to be that</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">people can't =
find it, but that it's still too prominent for many end-users!)</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">OK by me.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Heikki Toivonen</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ =
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Open Source Applications =
Foundation "General" mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/general">http://li=
sts.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/general</A></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Reid Ellis &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:rae-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]">rae-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]</A>&gt;</FONT>=
</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">October 11, 2007 2:22:38 PM =
PDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">OSAF Discussions &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]">general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]</A>&gt=
;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [General] Fwd: [Chandler-dev] =
Release number and date on chandlerproject.org</B></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">OSAF Discussions &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]">general-6zGkXsw2EZWGJGYlWa3Ukdi2O/[email protected]</A>&gt=
;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> I =
would avoid nn/nn/nn for dates, and stick with "Oct 10, 2007"-style =
dates.<DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I don't =
think a version number is useful, and may even be confusing for Chandler =
Hub -- "Uh-oh, I only have Chandler 0.7.x and the Hub is at 0.8.x -- =
will they work together ok??"</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Was the reversing of =
"version product date" between server and desktop around the countdown =
deliberate?</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Reid<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On =
Oct 11, 2007, at 14:34, Mimi Yin wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite">Moving this discussion over to the General List.<DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>1. The top bar (where =
currently there is only: Open Source Applications Foundation) was =
intended to display 'news items' like new releases. (See =
mock-up.)</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>2. =
We should probably have release numbers for both Desktop, Hub and =
Server, which should take care of Heikki's layout =
concerns.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>3. =
The lack of a green download arrow for 'Download Server' is deliberate =
just as Jeffrey said. (Our problem doesn't seem to be that people can't =
find it, but that it's still too prominent for many =
end-users!)</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>We =
have a longer-term problem however. Since Server/Desktop releases are no =
longer in lock-step, what happens when the Server is at 0.8.1? and the =
Desktop is at 0.7.8 or vice versa? What do we display in the top area? I =
have a proposed solution in the mockup below. The layout of the release =
timeline is rather complex, so it might need to be a =
graphic.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Mimi</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><DIV>&lt;D=
oReleases.png&gt;</DIV></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN></SPAN><BR><DIV><BR><DIV>Be=
gin forwarded message:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Davor Cubranic &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>=
<DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">October 11, 2007 11:01:57 AM PDT</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Developer =
Discussions &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
afoundation.org</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica"=
 size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [Chandler-dev] =
Release number and date on chandlerproject.org</B></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Developer Discussions &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
afoundation.org</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Reid Ellis =
wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We could keep the top =
text/graphic at "0.7" and mention the version</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">number next to the product download areas. See =
mock-up: http://</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">clith.com/chandler.html</DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">This is much better. Would the date under the =
timeline be for the latest</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">release =
(0.7.1, in this case)?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Davor</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Open =
Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev">http=
://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev</A></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ =
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Open Source Applications =
Foundation "General" mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/general">http://li=
sts.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/general</A></DIV> =
</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_ _ _ _ _ _ _ =
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