Some Comments (Operation Badar Services for J2EE programmers (Successful Story comes to end why?))
"H@roon" <[email protected]> Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:33:33 -0700 (PDT)
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--0-1331970720-1152858813=:23036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Imam Raza<[email protected]> wrote: Dear Zia sir, I am your ex operation badar student (tigers of java). You did remarkable job in producing world best class java programmers through operation badar. I have been in the IT industry for more than 6 years. I can bet that more than 90% of the top class java programmers belong to operation badar. I have worked in karachi top class software houses like Etilize, Edev and clickmarks. In every software house I found number of good java programmers that belong to operation badar. I would like to draw your attention towards the complete shift of operation badar towards .net. I believe dotnet and java would go parallel. Both would have equivalent market share. Right now operation badar focussed on .net and so the new generation is focussing on only net. Its really hard now a days to find even fresh j2EE programmers. Right now there are so many projects outsourcing to pakistan in J2EE that employers are very anxious to find a good j2ee resource but now they are unable to find. I have linked to my friend outside pakistan. They told me J2EE people are hard to find and companies are willing to pay good amount of salaries. In pakistan, the firm in which I am working requires lot of java programmers but unable to find. I have been working on .net since two year but due to the lack of j2ee resources I have switched to j2ee to fullfill company need. Having said all these, I would request to your honour to motivate new generation not only for .Net but also for J2EE as you know big organization are still on J2EE and also J2EE yet capture the mobile market as compare to Net. Regards Imam Raza Software Architect Clickmarks Inc. Imran Rauf <[email protected]> wrote: I am 100 n one% agree with you and I also know majority of badarian has totally captured j2ee enable Software Houses not only in Pakistan but also in Midle-east, USA and Europ. Althoug numbers are less in outside the countries but they are working on major projects in large organizations like Aramco, Sony Ericson, GM USA, Oracle & ETISALAT etc. As far as my litle knowledge is concern J2EE provides you complete play ground for working with the enhance power of Open Source support and learning J2EE is not easy as to learn a predefine APIs. I don't want to say J2EE is every where it is a matter of Business Case. Yes, there is a shortage of excellent J2EE resources I don't think so there is no any institute or university who is training people on j2ee platform. I also agree with that java and dot.net will go parallel (like KFC and McDonalad) and there are other platform who has big impact on market such LAMP (Dunken Donald) which give you very much low cost solutions especially MNCs prefer to choose that platform due to richness of Open Source. A part from all microsoft marketing strategy they know well technology implementation requries two type of changes one is technology usage training and other is social changes. They penetrate into market through 2nd strategy they bound software socially with the people just like mobile phone and I always say they how to sell the ice to skemos. Regards, Imran Rauf Zia Khan (Hotmail)" <[email protected]> wrote: As a instructor I have to basically make predictions about technology trends. It takes about two years to train a developer. Therefore the question is what training should I provide now so that a developer will be able to contribute in July 2008. Our prediction is that in the next year or two all server bases UI development (Java Server Pages/Faces, ASP.NET, etc) will become totally obsolete, it will be the age of rich clients. The only role Java can play in this environment is on the middle tier, connecting to the WPF client using Project Tango (i.e. WCF Java implementation). We in OB have very limited resources, would we want to train people to write clients in NET Framework 3.0 and the server in Java? May be we can use similarities in the two platforms to train such people? I do not know the answers to these questions? Zia Khan Haroon ___________________ [email protected] MSN-ID:[email protected] Phone:092-0321-2066747 Sun Certified Java Programmer (SCJP) Sun Certified Mobile Application Developer (SCMAD) IBM Certified Enterprise Connectivity with J2EE IBM Certified XML and Related Technologie --0-1331970720-1152858813=:23036 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px} --></style></head><body> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Imam Raza<[email protected]></EM></STRONG> wrote:</DIV> <DIV>Dear Zia sir,<BR><BR>I am your ex operation badar student (tigers of java). You did remarkable job in producing world best class java programmers through operation badar. I have been in the IT industry for more than 6 years. I can bet that more than 90% of the top class java programmers belong to operation badar. I have worked in karachi top class software houses like Etilize, Edev and clickmarks. In every software house I found number of good java programmers that belong to operation badar.<BR><BR>I would like to draw your attention towards the complete shift of operation badar towards .net. I believe dotnet and java would go parallel. Both would have equivalent market share. Right now operation badar focussed on .net and so the new generation is focussing on only net. Its really hard now a days to find even fresh j2EE programmers. Right now there are so many projects outsour cing to pakistan in J2EE that employers are very anxious to find a good j2ee resource but now they are unable to find. I have linked to my friend outside pakistan. They told me J2EE people are hard to find and companies are willing to pay good amount of salaries. In pakistan, the firm in which I am working requires lot of java programmers but unable to find. <BR><BR>I have been working on .net since two year but due to the lack of j2ee resources I have switched to j2ee to fullfill company need.<BR><BR>Having said all these, I would request to your honour to motivate new generation not only for .Net but also for J2EE as you know big organization are still on J2EE and also J2EE yet capture the mobile market as compare to Net.<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Imam Raza<BR>Software Architect<BR>Clickmarks Inc.<BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Imran Rauf <[email protected]></EM></STRONG> wrote:</DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am 100 n one% agree with you and I also know majority of badarian has totally captured j2ee enable Software Houses not only in Pakistan but also in Midle-east, USA and Europ. Althoug numbers are less in outside the countries but they are working on major projects in large organizations like Aramco, Sony Ericson, GM USA, Oracle & ETISALAT etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as my litle knowledge is concern J2EE provides you complete play ground for working with the enhance power of Open Source support and learning J2EE is not easy as to learn a predefine APIs. I don't want to say J2EE is every where it is a matter of Business Case.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, there is a shortage of excellent J2EE resources I don't think so there is no any institute or university who is training people on j2ee platform.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also agree with that java and dot.net will go parallel (like KFC and McDonalad) and there are other platform who has big impact on market such LAMP (Dunken Donald) which give you very much low cost solutions especially MNCs prefer to choose that platform due to richness of Open Source.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A part from all microsoft marketing strategy they know well technology implementation requries two type of changes one is technology usage training and other is social changes. They penetrate into market through 2nd strategy they bound software socially with the people just like mobile phone and I always say they how to sell the ice to skemos.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV>Imran Rauf<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Zia Khan (Hotmail)" <[email protected]></EM></STRONG> wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a instructor I have to basically make predictions about technology trends. It takes about two years to train a developer. Therefore the question is what training should I provide now so that a developer will be able to contribute in July 2008. Our prediction is that in the next year or two all server bases UI development (Java Server Pages/Faces, ASP.NET, etc) will become totally obsolete, it will be the age of rich clients. The only role Java can play in this environment is on the middle tier, connecting to the WPF client using Project Tango (i.e. WCF Java implementation). We in OB have very limited resources, would we want to train people to write clients in NET Framework 3.0 and the server in Java? May be we can use similarities in the two platforms to train such people? 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