Re: India's IP policies and US lawmakers.

The twisted logic also implies that one should not sleep in any type of bed
as majority die in bed, including in hospitals. It has been observed that
procreation also happens mostly in beds with "social" (read socialist)
activity and so creates population explosion - - these artifacts should be
banned!

:)

Was the topic not highjacked and became OT by ranting about socialism vs
capitalism vs. ...ism?

On 1 July 2013 00:03, Kingsly John <[email protected]> wrote:

> +++ Ratnendra Pandey [2013-06-30 12:54:09]:
>
> > A far more number of people die every year in India for simple things
> like
> > dirty water or dirty air.
> > India does not need to steal expensive IP  to save her people from
> simple and
> > avoidable deaths like those from simple diseases  like cholera,
> diearreaha etc
> > and from other simple causes like death by falling from overcrowded
> trains in
> > mumbai suburban system. As far as I can tell from my unscientific
> observation,
> > the number of people who could be saved by drugs from stolen IP are very
> few
> > (any idea how many patients die from cancer than from other waterborne
> and
> > airborne diseases)?
>
> Any idea how many people die in road accidents and in bathrooms around the
> world compared to terrorist attacks on airlines?
>
> We should just give up on all security in airports, and spend all our money
> on better bathrooms and road safety.
>
> > But, you see, in socialist countries like India where government has to
> > showcase what it is doing, revoking patents on cancer drugs is likely to
> get
> > more votes than saving thousands of people who die every year from simple
> > things like cholera.  It also stokes felling of nationalism when Indian
> > government is seen as fighting a profit seeking American drug company.
>
> Clearly you have no clue what the Supreme Court judgement was about. Glivac
> was a cancer drug that had enjoyed patent protection for many years. What
> the
> SC ruled against was evergreening of the patent to prevent generics from
> entering the market for many more years.
>
> From the wikipedia page about the main ingredient..
>
> <quote>In 2013, more than 100 cancer specialists published a letter in
> Blood
> saying that the prices of many new cancer drugs, including    imatinib, is
> so
> high that U.S. patients couldn't afford them, and that the level of prices,
> and profits, was so high as to be immoral. Signatories of the letter
> included
> Brian Drucker, Carlo Gambacorti-Asserini, and John Goldman, developers of
> imatinib. In 2001, imatinib was priced at $30,000 a year, which was based
> on the price of interferon, then the standard treatment, and would have
> recouped the development costs in 2 years. After unexpectedly becoming a
> blockbuster, its price was increased to $92,000 per year in 2012, with
> annual
> revenues of $4.7 billion. All its research and development costs were
> covered
> in the first $1 billion, and everything else was profit.^[39]^[40] Other
> doctors have complained about the </quote>
>
> The very people who created the drug felt the company was overcharging even
> by western standards.
>
> > Cancer is never epidemic. At anytime it affects a very limited number of
> > people.  A few cancer patients might be saved by these drugs. Not all
> > patient will survive even with these drugs. So for the benefit of  a very
> > small minority of patient who were unfortunate enough to suffer from
> > cancer, we are subjecting the rest of 1.2 billion Indians to moral
> > corruption and unethical environment that comes from stolen IP or living
> > off someone else's hardwork or money.  So much for the self-reliant
> > Indians. Is eating stolen food or treating with stolen drugs
> > self-reliance?
>
> You have been overly influenced by MAFIAA logic.
>
> Firstly IP violation is not theft. And nearly every major US company
> including Microsoft and Apple are guilty of it and they get away with
> barely
> a slap on the wrist.
>
> And are you really lecturing the rest of the world on morality and ethics,
> while supporting a company that raised the price of a life saving drug from
> $30k per annum to $92k per annum for no other reason than they could get
> away
> with it? (They had already recovered all sunk costs in two years.)
>
> And wrt living off someone else's hard work? The drug company has been
> making
> billions of dollars in profit every single year for over a decade now. What
> percentage of that money was actually paid to the inventors of the drug who
> definitely did all the hard work?
>
>
> > But, the damage to Indian psyche and character caused by stolen IP is
> far more
> > than the benefit that might come from it. I have not heard of anyone
> attaining
> > wealth or prosperity from robbery or stealing. Karma, good or bad, always
> > catches up.
>
> There's a certain country that was built by stealing nearly a whole
> continent worth of land by killing the bulk of the native people,
> (including
> by spreading incurable diseases!) and restrictring them to tiny
> settlements.
> And then spent another hundred+ years enslaving another set of people and
> living off their hard work without paying them a single cent. And
> considering
> they are one of the most wealthy and prosperous nation on the planet...
>  you
> are clearly wrong.
>
> > When I was a small child, I was raised with an idea that when wealth is
> > lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost;  and when
> > character is lost, everything is lost.
>
> If you really believe in that, these billion dollar companies have lost
> absolutely nothing! So there's no reason for you or anyone get all butt
> hurt
> about the SC judgement.
>
> > We will never be independent, innovative, and original so long as we are
> > encouraging unethical short cuts.  Not being able to stand on our feet is
> > far more  damaging to India than anything else.
>
> Au contraire, we are truly independent when we can stand up for what is
> right
> and good for us(and the world at large) and not meekly bend over to satisfy
> the whims/greed of a tiny minority of super rich
> countries/corporations/people.
>
> Kingsly
>
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