Re: Fwd: Aadhaar & NPR: a corrupt surveillance tool, Rebuttal of Nilekani's blog

Thank you Vickram for putting the argument against formalized invasion of
privacy so well ,and to you and  Sarabjit for the efforts to challenge that
invasion.

Time and again when sane voices come through, amid the incessant din,  one
begins to feel that there is still some hope.

On a side note - the main events (9 of them over the next two months ) have
already seen an unprecedented amount of lies and misleading facts being
bandied about. Almost no media mode (tv, print, net) is immune from either
the din or the lies and it seems that only opinions and facts from people
personally respected carry any truth.

Thanks
ram


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On 30 March 2014 11:28, Vickram Crishna <v1clist-/[email protected]> wrote:

> Sent this reply the other day, accidentally direct to Sarbajit instead of
> the list.
>
> Actually, no. The petition was filed in the High Court here in Mumbai, and
> transferred to the Supreme Court on the request of UIDAI. And I didn't join
> it, I initiated it, together with four others from different walks of life,
> once the PSCoF report was ignored.
>
> As experience has shown, the petitions were necessary, in order to bring
> about this interim stoppage. Perhaps interministerial dialogue might have
> brought a better result, it is hard to say. Certainly an NPR card, perhaps
> a smart card, perhaps a smart card option rather than a necessity, but one
> based on responsible identity verification rather than paternalistic
> identity generation, might be that better choice, perhaps it may not.
>
> If it is a question of delivering cash subsidies to those who deserve
> them, based on leveraging digital networks, the premise itself is
> debatable, though not a subject for this list. Also questions of
> citizenship etc, relevant to the subject of cards and numbers, but again
> not for debate here. If the purpose is to enable the government to identify
> its citizens, whether we call it NPR or UID, it is critical to ask why this
> deserves the spending of public money.
>
> None of these questions and doubts are adequately being addressed today,
> at any level.
>
> ---
> Vickram
> communicall.wordpress.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://uk.overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
>  ------------------------------
> * From: * Sarbajit Roy <[email protected]>;
> * To: * Vickram Crishna <v1clist-/[email protected]>; india-gii <
> [email protected]>;
> * Subject: * Re: [india-gii] Fwd: Aadhaar & NPR: a corrupt surveillance
> tool, Rebuttal of Nilekani's blog
> * Sent: * Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:35:29 AM
>
>   I presume that sitting in Mumbai, you loaned your name to a
> broad-based PIL filed by like-minded persons in Delhi. Once your docs
> are filed in the court the matter is essentially out of your control.
> The legal scene has changed dramatically in the last 10 years and
> today 90% of case are not disposed of on merits but on other
> considerations.
>
> I would suggest that you speak to the RGI/NPR guys (like I do), They
> are bitterly opposed to UIDAI but unable to stop it because of lack of
> public support and the huge clourt NN enjoys.
>
> Had concerned people used their ADMINISTRATIVE remedies (instead of
> rushing to courts) the NPR could have saved the day and the citizens
> would have been a part of the process at every stage. There is
> unfortunately a section of NGO-dom which encourages divisiveness in
> Civil society - especially by encouraging people to go to court, and
> dropping out after 3 or 4 hearings.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 3/27/14, Vickram Crishna <v1clist-/[email protected]> wrote:
> > Having acknowledged which, this mango person does not intended to either
> > stop at the first sign of victory, nor remain complacent about the
> outcome
> > of a Court order.
> >
> > Sarbajit has been responsible for many of the discoveries about the
> > mismanagement of the UIDAI project. Rightly or wrongly, he has not
> favoured
> > using the judiciary to act in this matter, but the alternative is, IMHO,
> > only parliament, and that body has failed to assert itself in the past
> four
> > years. Even the flagrant disregard of the scathing Standing Committee
> report
> > on the enabling Bill sought to be legislated to justify UIDAI had no
> > reaction at all. For the information of list members, executive decisions
> > (UIDAI was created via the Cabinet, not Parliament) must be legislated
> > within a reasonable period. Since 2011, no Bill to enable the activities
> of
> > UIDAI has been in parliament.
> >
> > The NPR displays every sign of being as ignorant of the Indian reality.
> It
> > is the successor to the border identity card that Advani wanted,
> > inexplicably assuming that the presence of a card is all that is
> necessary
> > to overturn secessionist movements. Actually, when he made the
> suggestion, I
> > remember hearing a joke after Kargil that the brave villagers would rush
> out
> > and defeat any marauders, using their trusty cards, presumably the
> edges, to
> > slash attackers.
> >
> > Anyway, the issues with NPR are not directly the concern of list members
> > here, and I don't think we should spend time discussing it.
> >
> > ---
> > Vickram
> > communicall.wordpress.com
> >
> >
>
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