Re: Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay Shankar from the india-gii moderator role

Ratnendra,

I copy and paste from one of the previous email and that is bad from both
parties (pity one had to lower to that level):

Let us please not have philosophical discussion you are bring in terms of
"good vs bad" - insults are or should not be alowed n this list and in an
interconnected, global economy there will be interests from all over the
globe; specially since PM is trying to "Make It in India".

Quote:
So here it is.
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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Sarbajit Roy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>  I sincerely believe that the 1 million, alleged,
> Indian netizens who were conned into SPAMMING Trai with Mahesh and
> Pranesh's cyclostyled garbage on net neutrality, deserve to be
> informed that they did so as the result of a cynical long range
> campaign, partially financed by the overseas online gaming, gambling
> and porn industries.


Apparently, according to Sarabjit, my work and that of Nikhil is "financed
by the gambling and porn industries".

Yes, Sarabjit, and you're an asshole.

What is bad: accusations (even if true):
- 1 million, alleged, Indian netizens who were conned into SPAMMING Trai
with *Mahesh and Pranesh's *cyclostyled *garbage on net neutrality*
- a cynical long range campaign, partially financed by the *overseas online
gaming, gambling and porn industries*.

- and* you're an asshole*.

Unquote:

- There is no need for name calling;
- There is no need to equate "foreign" = rubbish (does the same coming from
"Indian" industry make it OK? and what is Indian?)
- There is no need to say other's opinion is garbage
- There is no need to mention gambling and porn industries (or any
industries for that matter). All (legal) industries have right to
lobby/influence and calling someone's opinion to be "bad" because of the
industries they supposedly represent is insulting!
- There is no need to call someone "asshole". Two wrongs do not make it
right! (Mahesh an apology from you would be great! You have erred to lower
yourself to this level. You did not need to do this -sorry for pointing it
out.)

I hope the above clarifies my viewpoint. Please refrain from insults and
discuss at proper civil level. If you wish to complain (foreign, garbage,
...) do it at the appropriate place - in this case TRAI - and not on this
list!

Thanks
BR
Kirit





On 18 May 2015 at 18:13, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> wrote:

> We knowingly give bad guys a lot more space than we want admit. We elect
> them in politics, we appoint them in bureaucracy, we fund their NGOS, and
> we buy shares of the companies they run.  They are everywhere. Basically,
> we allow bad guys to control our lives.   Do we need to redefine the word
> "bad"?
>
> Reminds me of Hindi Film Don, (Amitabh Bachchan, 1978). The story of the
> film is based on just one premise: buying and selling gold is bad. Can
> anyone with expertize in morals and ethics explain who gives someone (a
> government or a bureaucrat) authority to declare trading gold as unethical
> or illegal.
>
> Same applies to the question.
>
> Does some one in this world has right to be offended?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Ratnendra Pandey
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [india-gii] Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay
> Shankar from the india-gii moderator role
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 21:17:40 +0530
> CC: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
>
> Using your own analogy, suppose he beats his wife at home, but is an
> exemplary employee at work (a brilliant programmer or something of the
> sort, say).
>
> Or perhaps he’s a suave gentleman when he goes to his club for a drink and
> a round of golf, and a brilliant quizzer if he’s on a quiz team.
>
> If you knew he beat his wife at home, you may want to avoid him socially
> but have little or no excuse to avoid or bar him professionally.  Or
> possibly not.
>
> This is an interesting case here.
>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/firing-of-shawn-simoes-for-off-duty-fhritp-video-reflects-employment-trend-1.3071919
>
> I understand Arun’s sterling background in free speech and his concerns
> that it should not be suppressed at any costs, and that a radical voice in
> the wilderness is a useful thing to have.
>
> I can even respect that.
>
> However, and I hope Arun’s moderation efforts that he described will
> resolve this, a clear line must be drawn between expressing - even strongly
> expressing - a minority point of view, versus carrying out vicious personal
> attacks on those who hold opposite views.
>
> After Arun’s explanatory note and his proposal to moderate Sarbajit, I
> consider the matter closed for now.
>
> —srs
>
>
> On 18-May-2015, at 9:01 pm, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Take an example. There is a member who beats his wife every evening.
> Should this be enough reason to send the member out of this list.
> This can be argued from the both sides.  Is it that a bad guy will be bad
> guy everywhere?  Or, bad at one occasion or instance does not make the
> person always bad?
>
>
>
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