Re: Indian censorship of porn now stupider

Thaths (?),

I very much enjoyed your answers which provides an insight that I do not
have.

If you look at the first email in this chain, A run suggested that ISPs
will have to have their employees to go through a website to determine
there is no paedophilia material before unblocking it.

I suggested that if I were ISP, I would not have my employees do
verification.

You seem to think a website is like a book and so blocking all 857 sites
would be like burning a library. An interesting insight and analogy.

My poor understanding is that once a book is printed, it's contents do not
change. A (porn or social media) website changes continuously and so
impossible to monitor by human being and moreover an ISP can not dictate
contents of a website.

This means, in my poor understanding, that to not burn library, an ISP
needs to monitor contents of both downstream and upstream traffic by
powerful bots and block paedophilia content which is also impossible and
worrying.

Your implied solution is that ISPs should ignore court / government ruling,
be in contempt of court, pay fines and/or go to jail so that the library is
not burnt down. I love your solution!

Best wishes,

P.S.: I will not be replying anymore to your interesting observations.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:33 AM Kiritkumar Lathia <[email protected]> wrote:

> A simple Google search shows that internet pornography is a multi billion
> usd business everywhere in the world and I would expect the same in India.
>

By that argument, the following (unsubstantiatable) argument (and many
similar to it) could also be made:

Kimchi (or Sushi, take your pick) production, distribution and consumption
is a multi-billion USD business around the world. Therefore one would
expect a thriving market for production and consumption of kimchi (or
Sushi) in India.


> Rather then degenerating into discussion about sources of info, their
> reliably, etc. and last paise worth of business revenue,
>

Right. Let's not let facts get in the way of arguments.


> it would appropriate in this forum to observe that DoT has not acted in an
> appropriate manner and passing the buck to ISP does not work - as the title
> of this thread indicates.
>

That is NOT the argument Banibrata was making. He is insinuating that there
is a dark nexus of people who are set against implementing the DoT orders
because of financial interests. I want to ask him to substantiate this
claim that there is money to be made from producing and distributing porn
in India and that this is actually happening.

As Suresh and Atanu have pointed out, India is a very price sensitive, and
repressed ("what if my parents, significant other find out that I pay for
Suicide Girls?") market. And giving out credit card numbers online is not a
widespread practice.


> If I were ISP, I would continue to block all identified sites to avoid
> legal problems , as it is totally impossible to ensure that there is no
> child porn.
>

Right. Let's also burn some libraries because some books in the library are
unpalatable.

Thaths



> This is something this group can propose or lobby as "independent" group (
> assuming no one has financial interests in ISPs and/or pornography
> On Aug 6, 2015 11:11 PM, "Thaths" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:31 AM Banibrata Dutta <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At one of the 2011 (if I am not mistaken) Nasscom Product Conclave, held
>>> in Bangalore, I remember Vishal Gondal had challenged the VP Engineering
>>> (search engine / overall don't remember), as part of a panel discussion,
>>> saying that the biggest share of search and of internet traffic from India,
>>> at night, is porn (& games -- of course, the speaker being Vishal).
>>>
>>> If that is indeed true, and continues to be -- there may be more than
>>> "implementability" of the order, responsible for not wishing to implement.
>>> Porn, is one of the biggest internet-based industries in terms of revenue,
>>> challenged only by ecommerce.
>>>
>>
>> Please cite your source. How much money is paid by internet porn
>> consumers in India? Who is being paid? How much? And your sources for all
>> these claims.
>>
>> Thaths
>>
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