Re: Why is Mark Zuckerberg angry at critics in India?

So you essentially agree that MZ is lying in the claim of supporting net
neutrality with his 'free' offer?

Let me ask you, do you have an idea how enterprise companies like Oracle
make money every time you visit Facebook ? There's a lot of money riding on
the free deal.

You have to debate what you are giving away (privacy, attention, control,
money) for what you are getting in return.


On Wednesday, December 30, 2015, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Very sad that ideas like net neutrality are even being discussed on this
> forum.
>
> Reminds me of  the Film "Mother India"  from 1950s that showed a family of
> farmer living under the burden of debt
> We have already taken the Indian economy to the bottom of the heap by by
> diverting from the principles of free market.
>
> Folks, we need to respectful of the fact  that by nature free markets is
> discriminatory and it encourges efficiency unlike net neutrality which at
> the core is a communist idea.
>
> Free market does not like two things: customers who cannot pay, and the
> products that cannot sell itself. Any time we are interfering with free
> markets,
> we are encourging the consumption  by  non-productive consumers, or
> production of unmarketable products and services.
> The maleffect of the interference  in free market is clearly visible in
> Indian economy.  You look at any part of  infrastructure.  Indian Railways,
> Airports (if the city you live in is lucky to have one), Roads,
> Electiricity, communication etc.
>
> Government interference has  hurt Indian consumers even more and thrown
> the people of India into a vicious cycle.   The Indian consumers cannot
> affort quality good due to lack of purchasing power. Private  sector is
> forced to offer inferior goods and lower prices, or in smaller quantity,
> creating a sense of scarcity or poverty.  Government subsidizes consumption
> by taxing those who do not know how to escape taxes.  Just think about it,
> JP group wants to quit the Yamuna Expressway project because it cannot find
> enough drivers who would be willing to pay enough toll to operate the
> express between Noida and Agra.
>
> Unless we allow Indian consumers to learn how to be become a sophisticated
> consumers with sufficient purchasing power, we will force the to a living
> in scarcity.
> We must allow creation  of a symbiatic rapport between Indian producers
> and Indian consumers.  That is not possible unless both are given free hand.
>
> We need to send the the ideas  of Net Neutrality back  to professor Tim Wu
> of Columiba University who produce nothing of value and only create
> confusion while lving off taxpayers dime.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Ratnendra Pandey
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> Subject: [india-gii] Why is Mark Zuckerberg angry at critics in India?
>
> Courtesy of the BBC.
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-35192184
>
> Mark Zuckerberg is feeling the force of critics who believe his effort to
> provide Indians with free access to a limited number of internet services
> hurts India's democracy and violates net neutrality
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32592204>.
> In an unusually pugnacious appeal
> <http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/free-basics-protects-net-neutrality/>
> in the mass-circulation Times of India, the Facebook founder forcefully
> defended introducing his Free Basics service, "a set of basic internet
> services for education, healthcare, jobs and communication that people can
> use without paying for data".
> Facebook, Mr Zuckerberg says, has already launched the service in
> partnership with more than 35 mobile operators in more than 30 countries.
> He says more than 15 million people have already come online because of
> the service. "The data is clear," he says. "Free Basics is a bridge to the
> full internet and digital equality."
> So - in a tone which many say mocks critics - Mr Zuckerberg asks: "Who
> could possibly be against this?
> "Surprisingly, over the last year there's been a big debate about this in
> India."
> Stiff opposition After all, with more than 130 million users, India is
> Facebook's second biggest market in the world
> <http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/facebook-user-base-has-now-climbed-to-125-million-users-in-india-272186.html>.
>
> Mr Zuckerberg has been bear-hugged by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34389044>in California, and
> has visited India twice. He insists India will be crucial to getting "the
> next billion online" <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34655077>
> .
> Many believe Mr Zuckerberg possibly expected a cakewalk with Free Basics,
> and is now irate at being stonewalled by critics who are not convinced
> about his motives.
> Earlier this month, India's telecom regulator directed a mobile operator
> that partnered with Facebook to put the Free Basics offer on hold
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35169226> following stiff
> opposition by the critics, who believe that it runs contrary to the
> principles of net neutrality and that data providers should not favour some
> online services over others by offering cheaper or faster access.
> Last April, hundreds of thousands of Indians sent emails to the regulator
> and set up websites demanding a free and fair internet
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-32313704>.
> All this is not helping Mr Zuckerberg. So Facebook has launched a lavish
> campaign to canvass support for Free Basics, putting out expensive
> full-page double-spread adverts in leading Indian newspapers and putting up
> billboards in cities.
> And on Monday, he lashed out against his critics here for continuing to
> "spread false claims - even if that means leaving behind a billion people".
> "Instead of recognising the fact that Free Basics is opening up the whole
> internet, they continue to claim - falsely - that this will make the
> internet more like a walled garden," he wrote.
> "Instead of welcoming Free Basics as an open platform that will partner
> with any telco, and allows any developer to offer services to people for
> free, they claim - falsely - that this will give people less choice.
> "Instead of recognising that Free Basics fully respects net neutrality,
> they claim - falsely - the exact opposite."
> But prominent tech activists are not convinced.
> Nikhil Pahwa, a volunteer with savetheinternet.in
> <http://www.savetheinternet.in/>, says the Facebook boss has not answered
> a critical question.
> "Why has Facebook chosen the current model for Free Basics, which gives
> users a selection of around 100 sites (including a personal blog and a real
> estate company homepage), while rejecting the option of giving the poor
> free access to the open, plural and diverse web?," he wrote in a stinging
> riposte to Mr Zuckerberg's personal appeal
> <http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/its-a-battle-for-internet-freedom/>
> .
> 'Open access' Mr Pahwa, a fierce defender of net neutrality, says
> research has shown that "less experienced, low-income groups prefer access
> to an open and unrestricted internet".
> They should rather be given the choice, he writes, of "deciding what they
> want to access, with millions of websites and apps to choose from, for say,
> three days, over being given unlimited access to a limited selection".
> Mr Zuckerberg possibly answers this question partially in his appeal.
> He says "certain basic services" are important for people's well-being in
> all societies, so we have collections of free books in libraries, free
> basic healthcare - and not every treatment - which saves lives, and free
> basic education. Ditto with free basic internet services, he argues.
> But this is only a part of the story, say critics.
> Mr Pahwa says Facebook and the Indian mobile partner Reliance
> Communications "reserve the right to reject applications from websites and
> apps for Free Basics, and forces them to conform to its technical
> guidelines".
> "Services which compete with telecom operator services will not be allowed
> on Free Basics. It would need Facebook's permission (and hence, time) for a
> citizen-powered crisis-response effort such as Chennairains.org
> <http://chennairains.org/>to be made available to those on Free Basics,
> and the flexibility and freedom with which such an effort can evolve would
> be restricted or limited by Facebook's guidelines."
> 'Disingenuous' More than half of India's 320 million internet users
> <http://www.trai.gov.in/WriteReadData/PressRealease/Document/Press_Release_No.67.pdf>
> - 94% of whom are mobile - use Facebook and the instant messaging app
> WhatsApp, both owned by Mr Zuckerberg, every day, a study has shown
> <http://www.livemint.com/Industry/vU55FbKdlz9vIfkxUb0EoL/Facebook-tops-networking-WhatsApp-in-message-apps-in-India.html>.
>
> The country is expected to have 500 million internet users by the end of
> 2017.
> Technology analysts like Prasanto K Roy say it is all right for Mr
> Zuckerberg to look at India as a "great business opportunity" and pick up
> his next billion Facebook users.
> "But he is being disingenuous with his Free Basics campaign. He is pushing
> what is essentially a corporate strategy, which is nothing wrong, and
> equating it with free basic education and healthcare," he says.
> "Facebook is spending millions of dollars in the media to drum up support
> for Free Basics in India. What about using this money to subsidise internet
> access for the poor? Why is it dressing up what is essentially a corporate
> strategy as an altruistic mission?"
>
>
>
> On 12/24/2015 02:09 AM, Arun Mehta wrote:
>
>
> <http://www.technologyreview.com/news/544861/how-facebook-and-googles-plans-to-boost-internet-access-advanced-in-2015/>
> http://www.technologyreview.com/news/544861/how-facebook-and-googles-plans-to-boost-internet-access-advanced-in-2015/
>
> Did you see the full page ads that Facebook is taking out, to market a
> free service? So far, only Reliance offers Free Basics, has anyone checked
> it out?
>
> We don't all understand the same thing when we say Net Neutrality, but we
> do agree that it is seriously threatened...
>
> Arun Mehta
>
>
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