Re: Why is Mark Zuckerberg angry at critics in India?

Why anyone is arguing for a hobbled miniature access model which goes
against a neutral model everywhere else is beyond me.

Critics have raised valid issues. In Germany FB had to backtrack on their
real names policy when privacy critics raised the issue as an unacceptable
tradeoff. If someone wants to play locally let them adapt to local rules
instead of bending universal rules locally to suit themselves.

I agree with you that the cost of this to FB is minimal - a few thousand
servers perhaps - as the bandwidth costs are to be borne by the carriers at
FB insistence.

My original point stands - if an average person does not understand
the business model of the business concern they cannot possibly understand
if they are being offered a good deal. The bill always comes.

Happy New Years
cheers,
-Ruchir

On Friday, January 1, 2016, ken <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's doubtful that the market (free or otherwise) will be able to do
> anything other than to accept what bread crumbs it has been offered. One
> possibility would be to organize a boycott, perhaps directed at Facebook -
> but I don't see this concept as ever being able to gain traction.
>
> One possible answer is to address this issue head on by uniting all of the
> businesses who will be excluded from this service by explaining to them
> that it would be worth their while to finance the building of an open
> network. This could be done by including a small tax on each purchase, paid
> advertising, government subsidy or possibly a combination of the three.
>
> Given that the cost to build out this type of local network is incredibly
> cheap, the idea might gain traction but even if it did, it neglects the
> provisioning of worldwide internet access. To address this aspect, one can
> assume that many international companies understand (as Facebook does) that
> having access to the Indian market is valuable and that the way to gain
> access is to provide this service as part of the deal. This also could be
> structured in the form of advertising, even though unless this was
> carefully regulated, we might end up providing a service that was all
> advertising, all the time and Internet because a false promise.
>
> I suspect that the main roadblocks might be the Indian government itself
> followed by corruption on all kinds of levels. And if the corruption cannot
> be addresses, nothing of any value is going to get done regardless of what
> strategy we arrive at.
>
> Happy New Year all,
>
> Ken DiPietro
> Cumberland MD
>
>
> On 01/01/2016 01:04 AM, Arun Mehta wrote:
>
> A key question that needs answering in this controversy, is what powers
> the government even has, to stop something like Free Basics? TRAI only has
> powers over tariffs. Unless you go back to the draconian Indian Telegraph
> Act -- what a country, that uses 19th century legislation to stop 21st
> century services...
>
> My attitude towards Free Basics is no different to any challenges to net
> neutrality. Looking at a packet to decide what to do with it, is highly
> counter-productive in an age of optical routing and fiber optics. It is
> cheaper to offer the full Internet, than to restrict it.
>
> Then again, hackers will find workarounds. Back in the days when you had
> email-only access, one way to gain some degree of web access was to mail
> the url to a particular address, which fetched the page and mailed it back
> to you.
>
> It's a bad idea, not the first in the Indian telecom space. I believe we
> should let the market deal with it, rather than setting a bad precedent.
>
> Arun Mehta
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Ratnendra Pandey <
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> But, it saddens me to note that business owners have to lie and spend
>> money on lobbying with legislators and bribe government bureacrats just to
>> be able to do honest business. Note the irony. You have to be dishonest to
>> do business honestly.
>>
>>
>>
>
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