Re: What is bias? (Re: should we continue?)
Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:01:46 +0000
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--===============0372541622929033302== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY2PR01MB188445861031FEF091AA821C81D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_" --_000_BY2PR01MB188445861031FEF091AA821C81D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for asking. Bias is an error caused by systematically favoring one outcome over others. In the above, definition, there are two parts that you must appreciate: Error Part: Bias is an error. Bias is the difference between the actual an= d the estimate. Systemic Part : Bias is build into the system, algorithm, or the thinking. You cannot always fix a bias that is built into a system. There is another way to look at bias, besides the political bias in the way= data is presented by FACEBOOK and GOOGLE that I was alluding to my in email. The underlying algorithms in Facebook and google return your searches or friendship suggestions or recommendations (as on retailing websites) by looking at the data and presupposing your liking or disliking, which inherently is a process with = a bias. It is this bias that gives you absurd results on these websites on several = occasions. In recent US elections, both Facebook and Google have been openly biased in the favor of democratic candidate who lost this election. Just as you can say NDTV (if this channel is still around) favors leftist/= communist viewpoint, or JNU is biased in favor of students and faculty who can be regarded as "anti-national" by those with different view point. Sincerely, Ratnendra Pandey ________________________________ From: Sunil Chandra <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 3:25 AM To: Ratnendra Pandey Cc: [email protected] Subject: What is bias? (Re: [india-gii] should we continue?) How do you define bias? Is our own thinking unbiased? This question has troubled me many times in past but haven't found the righ= t answer. Since, your statement brings an interesting connection between th= is list's purpose and my quest, it gives me a reason to raise this topic he= re. Sunil On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]<mailto= :[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks for saving me from going back to Facebook or Whatsapp. I have stopped patronizing Facebook and Google to the extent I can since th= ey starting inserting bias in their algorithms to influence the elections i= n favor of the candidate that lost. I do not trust google searches to give me an unbiased results. And I have = not visited my Facebook account for years. Sincerely, Ratnendra Pandey --_000_BY2PR01MB188445861031FEF091AA821C81D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;} --></style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font= -family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr"> <p>Thanks for asking.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Bias is an error caused by systematically favoring one outcome over othe= rs.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>In the above, definition, there are two parts that you must appreciate:<= /p> <p><br> </p> <p>Error Part: Bias is an error. Bias is the difference between the a= ctual and the estimate.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Systemic Part : Bias is build into the system, algorithm, or the&n= bsp;</p> <p>thinking. You cannot always fix a bias that is built into a system.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>There is another way to look at bias, besides the political bias in= the way data is </p> <p>presented by FACEBOOK and GOOGLE that I</p> <p>was alluding to my in email. The underlying algorithms in Facebook&= nbsp;</p> <p>and google return your searches or friendship suggestions</p> <p>or recommendations (as on retailing websites) by looking= at the data and </p> <p>presupposing your liking or disliking, which inherently is a proce= ss with a bias.</p> <p>It is this bias that gives you absurd results on these websites on sever= al occasions.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>In recent US elections, both Facebook and Google have been openly biased= </p> <p>in the favor of democratic candidate who lost this election.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Just as you can say NDTV (if this channel is still around) favors = leftist/communist</p> <p>viewpoint, or JNU is biased in favor of students </p> <p>and faculty who can be regarded</p> <p>as "anti-national" by those with different view point.</p= > <p><br> </p> <p></p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Ratnendra Pandey</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p> </p> <br> <br> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co= lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Sunil Chandra <cha= [email protected]><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 21, 2017 3:25 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Ratnendra Pandey<br> <b>Cc:</b> [email protected]<br> <b>Subject:</b> What is bias? (Re: [india-gii] should we continue?)</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr">How do you define bias? <div><br> </div> <div>Is our own thinking unbiased?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>This question has troubled me many times in past but haven't found the= right answer. Since, your statement brings an interesting connection betwe= en this list's purpose and my quest, it gives me a reason to raise this top= ic here.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Sunil<br> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Ratnendra Pandey= <span dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">pandey@hotmail.= com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1= px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"m_-655856905434583702divtagdefaultwrapper" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"= font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-ser= if"> <p>Thanks for saving me from going back to Facebook or Whatsapp.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>I have stopped patronizing Facebook and Google to the extent I can since= they starting inserting bias in their algorithms to influence the election= s in favor of the candidate that lost.</p> <p>I do not trust google searches to give me an unbiased results. And= I have not visited my Facebook account for years. </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Ratnendra Pandey</p> <br> <div class=3D"hm HOEnZb"><br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_BY2PR01MB188445861031FEF091AA821C81D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_-- --===============0372541622929033302== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KSW5kaWEtZ2lp IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApJbmRpYS1naWlAbGlzdHMuaW5kaWEtZ2lpLm9yZwpodHRwczovL2xpc3Rz LmluZGlhLWdpaS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pbmRpYS1naWkK --===============0372541622929033302==--