Re: Is localization bad?
Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> Sun, 23 Apr 2017 18:42:51 +0000
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--===============2627374747811328156== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY2PR01MB1885E30AF4609020388D221C81C0BY2PR01MB188prodex_" --_000_BY2PR01MB1885E30AF4609020388D221C81C0BY2PR01MB188prodex_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like I have said several times before, for an idea to be enforceable in on= line world, it is necessary to understand how the same is treated in physical world. Can you tell what the words "right" and "sovereignty" mean to you? Why am I asking this question? The word "right" has been abused and misused so much and so often that I do= ubt anyone (including those who teach these matters) understand it well. Sincerely, Ratnendra Pandey PS: Putting it as post script because I think the word "right" has been far mor= e abused than "science". And not to take away importance of my earlier question. Thousands of scientists swarmed into Washington DC yesterday apparently in a fight to "enact evidence based policies in the public inte= rest" . Do these scientists understand the word "science" ? Should they be allowed to twist the meaning of word science to peruse thei= r agenda. I can tell you they (the activist scientists) are loosing, else what is need to make a show of strength on matters that are supposed to be resolved by cool mind, reflection, and of course, with e= xamination of some "evidence". ________________________________ From: India-gii <india-gii-bounces+pandey=3Dhotmail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]= > on behalf of parminder <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 6:28 AM To: [email protected]; Arun Mehta Subject: Re: [india-gii] Is localization bad? Hi Arun Incidentally, just wrote this very short oped in The Hindu of today on this= issue ... http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/trading-away-our-digital-rights/artic= le18160850.ece [http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article18160849.ece/ALTERNATES/LANDS= CAPE_615/iStock-543047254]<http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/trading-aw= ay-our-digital-rights/article18160850.ece> Trading away our digital rights<http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/tradi= ng-away-our-digital-rights/article18160850.ece> www.thehindu.com India must first secure its digital sovereignty before it can begin global = trade talks It draws from a background paper I did earlier this year for a presentation= to developing country delegates in Geneva at the South Centre, discussing = the geo-economics of the digital world. That paper is here http://www.itfor= change.net/sites/default/files/Developing-Countries-in-the-Emerging-Global-= Digital-Order.pdf ...... parminder On Friday 21 April 2017 04:41 PM, Arun Mehta wrote: Foreign Affairs: Defending Digital Globalization. http://google.com/newssta= nd/s/CBIwz-X36jQ [https://files.foreignaffairs.com/styles/large-crop-landscape/s3/images/art= icles/2017/04/20/rtr41iae.jpg?itok=3Doa6ENg4N]<http://google.com/newsstand/= s/CBIwz-X36jQ> Defending Digital Globalization<http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwz-X36jQ> google.com Just as nations have negotiated agreements establishing the terms of global= trade in goods and services, they now need to confront digital protectioni= sm by setting out detailed frameworks to govern cross-border electronic com= merce and data flows. Good information here, but we may disagree on the conclusions. India would = like our data to be stored locally, this article argues against. Your thoug= hts? Arun Mehta _______________________________________________ India-gii mailing list India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]<mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii --_000_BY2PR01MB1885E30AF4609020388D221C81C0BY2PR01MB188prodex_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;} --></style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font= -family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr"> <p>Like I have said several times before, for an idea to be enforceable &nb= sp;in online world, </p> <p>it is necessary to understand how the same is <span style=3D"font-= size: 12pt;">treated in physical world. </span></p> <p><br> </p> <p>Can you tell what the words "right" and "sovereignty= " mean to you? </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Why am I asking this question?</p> <p><br> </p> <p>The word "right" has been abused and misused so much and so of= ten that I doubt</p> <p>anyone (including those who teach these matters) understand it well.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p></p> <p><br> </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Ratnendra Pandey</p> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> PS: <div>Putting it as post script because I think the word "right" h= as been far more abused than "science".</div> <div>And not to take away importance of my earlier question.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>T<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">housands of scientists s</span><span= style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">warmed into </span><span style=3D"font-siz= e: 12pt;"> Washington DC yesterday</span> <div> <div> <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">apparently </span><span style=3D"font= -size: 12pt;">in a fight to </span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&= quot;enact evidence based policies in the public interest" .</span></p= > <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Do these scientists </span> unde= rstand the word "science" ?</p> <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> Should they be allowed to twist the meaning of word science = ;to peruse their agenda.</p> <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> I can tell you they (the activist scientists) are</p> <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> loosing, else what is need to make a show of strength on matters that&= nbsp;</p> <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> are supposed to be resolved by cool mind, reflection, and of course, w= ith examination of some "evidence". </p> <p style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, = "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, = "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-= size: 16px;"> <br> </p> </div> <br> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co= lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> India-gii <india-g= ii-bounces+pandey=3Dhotmail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> on behalf of pa= rminder <[email protected]><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 21, 2017 6:28 AM<br> <b>To:</b> [email protected]; Arun Mehta<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [india-gii] Is localization bad?</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <p><font face=3D"Verdana">Hi Arun</font></p> <p><font face=3D"Verdana">Incidentally, just wrote this very short oped in = The Hindu of today on this issue ... <br> </font></p> <p><font face=3D"Verdana"><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http:/= /www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/trading-away-our-digital-rights/article1816= 0850.ece" id=3D"LPlnk680117" previewremoved=3D"true">http://www.thehindu.co= m/opinion/op-ed/trading-away-our-digital-rights/article18160850.ece</a></fo= nt></p> <div id=3D"LPBorder_GT_14929715684270.510157218104681" style=3D"margin-bott= om: 20px; overflow: auto; width: 100%; text-indent: 0px;"> <table id=3D"LPContainer_14929715684210.7749900242024037" role=3D"presentat= ion" cellspacing=3D"0" style=3D"width: 90%; background-color: rgb(255, 255,= 255); position: relative; overflow: auto; padding-top: 20px; padding-botto= m: 20px; margin-top: 20px; border-top: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200); borde= r-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200);"> <tbody> <tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"border-spacing: 0px;"> <td id=3D"ImageCell_14929715684230.7740381603293398" colspan=3D"1" style=3D= "width: 250px; position: relative; display: table-cell; padding-right: 20px= ;"> <div id=3D"LPImageContainer_14929715684230.6296076059879001" style=3D"backg= round-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 156px; position: relative; margin:= auto; display: table; width: 250px;"> <a id=3D"LPImageAnchor_14929715684240.6420485095057595" href=3D"http://www.= thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/trading-away-our-digital-rights/article18160850.= ece" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"display: table-cell; text-align: center;"><= img aria-label=3D"Preview image with link selected. Double-tap to open the = link." id=3D"LPThumbnailImageID_14929715684240.561106628326522" width=3D"25= 0" height=3D"156" style=3D"display: inline-block; max-width: 250px; max-hei= ght: 250px; height: 156px; width: 250px; border-width: 0px; vertical-align:= bottom;" src=3D"http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article18160849.ece/= ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_615/iStock-543047254"></a></div> </td> <td id=3D"TextCell_14929715684240.7345812502550548" colspan=3D"2" style=3D"= vertical-align: top; position: relative; padding: 0px; display: table-cell;= "> <div id=3D"LPRemovePreviewContainer_14929715684240.8615570446087497"></div> <div id=3D"LPTitle_14929715684240.5261394205370455" style=3D"top: 0px; colo= r: rgb(0, 120, 215); font-weight: normal; font-size: 21px; font-family: wf_= segoe-ui_light, "Segoe UI Light", "Segoe WP Light", &qu= ot;Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; line-he= ight: 21px;"> <a id=3D"LPUrlAnchor_14929715684250.2472393942987412" href=3D"http://www.th= ehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/trading-away-our-digital-rights/article18160850.ec= e" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">Trading away our digi= tal rights</a></div> <div id=3D"LPMetadata_14929715684250.6298461668584516" style=3D"margin: 10p= x 0px 16px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: normal; font-family: wf= _segoe-ui_normal, "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial= , sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;"> www.thehindu.com</div> <div id=3D"LPDescription_14929715684260.9698618821577494" style=3D"display:= block; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: normal; font-family: wf_seg= oe-ui_normal, "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sa= ns-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; max-height: 100px; overflow: = hidden;"> India must first secure its digital sovereignty before it can begin global = trade talks</div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> <p></p> <p><font face=3D"Verdana">It draws from a background paper I did earlier th= is year for a presentation to developing country delegates in Geneva at the= South Centre, discussing the geo-economics of the digital world. That pape= r is here <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.itforchange.net/sites= /default/files/Developing-Countries-in-the-Emerging-Global-Digital-Order.pd= f" id=3D"LPlnk936504" previewremoved=3D"true"> http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/Developing-Countries-in-the-= Emerging-Global-Digital-Order.pdf</a> ...... parminder <br> </font></p> <br> <br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 21 April 2017 04:41 PM, Arun Mehta= wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <p dir=3D"ltr">Foreign Affairs: Defending Digital Globalization. <a href=3D= "http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwz-X36jQ" id=3D"LPlnk497403" previewremov= ed=3D"true"> http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwz-X36jQ</a></p> <div id=3D"LPBorder_GT_14929716249660.27002448315414207" style=3D"margin-bo= ttom: 20px; overflow: auto; width: 100%; text-indent: 0px;"> <table id=3D"LPContainer_14929716249630.4293620585262763" role=3D"presentat= ion" cellspacing=3D"0" style=3D"width: 90%; background-color: rgb(255, 255,= 255); position: relative; overflow: auto; padding-top: 20px; padding-botto= m: 20px; margin-top: 20px; border-top: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200); borde= r-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200);"> <tbody> <tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"border-spacing: 0px;"> <td id=3D"ImageCell_14929716249640.3485144013030743" colspan=3D"1" style=3D= "width: 250px; position: relative; display: table-cell; padding-right: 20px= ;"> <div id=3D"LPImageContainer_14929716249640.14034268825901308" style=3D"back= ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 140px; position: relative; margin= : auto; display: table; width: 250px;"> <a id=3D"LPImageAnchor_14929716249640.9341461868724545" href=3D"http://goog= le.com/newsstand/s/CBIwz-X36jQ" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"display: table-c= ell; text-align: center;"><img aria-label=3D"Preview image with link select= ed. Double-tap to open the link." id=3D"LPThumbnailImageID_14929716249640.0= 8698854761972696" width=3D"250" height=3D"140" style=3D"display: inline-blo= ck; max-width: 250px; max-height: 250px; height: 140px; width: 250px; borde= r-width: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;" src=3D"https://files.foreignaffairs.= com/styles/large-crop-landscape/s3/images/articles/2017/04/20/rtr41iae.jpg?= itok=3Doa6ENg4N"></a></div> </td> <td id=3D"TextCell_14929716249640.3804391275932901" colspan=3D"2" style=3D"= vertical-align: top; position: relative; padding: 0px; display: table-cell;= "> <div id=3D"LPRemovePreviewContainer_14929716249640.3312350472786161"></div> <div id=3D"LPTitle_14929716249640.8057188845818615" style=3D"top: 0px; colo= r: rgb(0, 120, 215); font-weight: normal; font-size: 21px; font-family: wf_= segoe-ui_light, "Segoe UI Light", "Segoe WP Light", &qu= ot;Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; line-he= ight: 21px;"> <a id=3D"LPUrlAnchor_14929716249650.9619933981539057" href=3D"http://google= .com/newsstand/s/CBIwz-X36jQ" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"text-decoration: n= one;">Defending Digital Globalization</a></div> <div id=3D"LPMetadata_14929716249650.09724343394332746" style=3D"margin: 10= px 0px 16px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: normal; font-family: w= f_segoe-ui_normal, "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Aria= l, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;"> google.com</div> <div id=3D"LPDescription_14929716249660.9486349650833719" style=3D"display:= block; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: normal; font-family: wf_seg= oe-ui_normal, "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sa= ns-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; max-height: 100px; overflow: = hidden;"> Just as nations have negotiated agreements establishing the terms of global= trade in goods and services, they now need to confront digital protectioni= sm by setting out detailed frameworks to govern cross-border electronic com= merce and data flows.</div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> <p dir=3D"ltr">Good information here, but we may disagree on the conclusion= s. India would like our data to be stored locally, this article argues agai= nst. Your thoughts?<br> Arun Mehta</p> <br> <fieldset class=3D"mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre>_______________________________________________=0A= India-gii mailing list=0A= <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWNPpwUc/[email protected]= gii.org">India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]</a>=0A= <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mail= man/listinfo/india-gii">https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-= gii</a>=0A= </pre> </blockquote> <br> </blockquote> <br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_BY2PR01MB1885E30AF4609020388D221C81C0BY2PR01MB188prodex_-- --===============2627374747811328156== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KSW5kaWEtZ2lp IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApJbmRpYS1naWlAbGlzdHMuaW5kaWEtZ2lpLm9yZwpodHRwczovL2xpc3Rz LmluZGlhLWdpaS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pbmRpYS1naWkK --===============2627374747811328156==--