Re: How do you say "SQL?"

I'm exiting this thread.....I've explained my position, yet it's painfully
obvious that I am considered stupid by some for my pronunciation of certain
words...

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Chad Bailey <[email protected]>wrote:

> I'm pulling from ooold knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken Linux
> adapted its name from "Minix" -- mini-unix. This may explain the
> method for pronouncing.
>
> Linus + Minix = Linux
>
> I don't know, but I've even heard of recordings of linus saying how to
> pronounce linux so I'm sure of it (after all, he did make it).
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Martin, Patrick
> <patrick.martin-Q1//[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'm going to start correcting people immediately and often.  Regardless
> of the fact that the guys I'll be correcting run thousands of instances
> globally. :-)
> >
> > Thanks Gene!
> >
> > - Pat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gene Cronk [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:28 PM
> > To: Chad Bailey
> > Cc: Joe Sam Shirah; list
> > Subject: Re: How do you say "SQL?"
> >
> > For giggles, I looked up how Linus Torvalds' first name is
> > pronounced....Considering the OS is named after him, we're both wrong.  I
> > pronounce it lie-nux (hard I), you pronounce it lin-ux (soft I)....but
> > according to Wikipedia it should be pronounced lee-nux (hard E).  Check
> it
> > out for yourself...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Swedish_and_Norwegian
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Gene Cronk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I pronounce it Line-ux for one reason....The U in UNIX is a hard vowel,
> so
> >> I treat the first vowel as hard as well in Linux.  As far as SQL, I
> >> pronounce it sequel currently, but used to pronounce it squeal.  To each
> >> their own.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Chad Bailey <[email protected]
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Similarly, I typically reflect what people use when they speak to me.
> >>>
> >>> If it's me doing the talking though, I pronounce the letters. I am
> >>> opposed to speaking acronyms as if they are words regardless of the
> >>> circumstances "lul" (unless it's an instance where the acronym is
> >>> intentionally made into a word, like "WINE").
> >>>
> >>> While on the subject, I have a confession. People who pronounce linux
> >>> as "line-ux" irritate me. It's lin, like fin... linux. I almost find
> >>> it disrespectful, and do consider those who pronounce it in such a way
> >>> less educated *shrugs*.
> >>>
> >>> The same thing applies to "nuke-ya-ler". When someone pronounces it
> >>> this way, I instantly wonder "does this person know what a nucleus is
> >>> or did they sleep through that in school".
> >>>
> >>> Just being transparent here, no intentions to upset anyone here who
> >>> pronounces it wrong. You'll never get me to agree that it can be
> >>> pronounced "both ways" though. In SQL's case, things are very
> >>> different. It isn't in any way related to an individual's name.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Joe Sam Shirah <[email protected]
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >   For peer/client usage, I long ago decided "when in Rome..."  That
> is,
> >>> > "sequel" or "Ess Que Ell" depending on usage at the particular site.
> >>> >
> >>> >   Technically, "Ess Que Ell" is correct.  SEQL, Structured English
> Query
> >>> > language - pronounced "sequel" - was IBM's first go at an RDBMS
> >>> language.
> >>> > Later it was changed to SQL, pronounced "Ess Que Ell".   Here's one
> >>> link,
> >>> > I'm sure there are more definitive ones out there:
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.sad4ever.org/dbms/sql_en.php
> >>> >
> >>> >   The first time I heard "sequel" was in relation to MS SQL Server;
> they
> >>> > apparently thought it sounded cool after doing in their Sybase
> contract.
> >>>  In
> >>> > some sense, it's a generational thing, and one should be aware of
> both
> >>> > useages, but the history is in the link above.
> >>> >
> >>> >   If some snob corrects me on either usage and  I'm feeling nasty,
> I'll
> >>> > often smile and say, "you know, I've been trying to find an RDBMS
> >>> expert.
> >>> > Could you briefly explain to me what a relation really is and how
> tuples
> >>> are
> >>> > involved?"  Amazing how few self-defined experts really understand
> >>> > relational database concepts.
> >>> >
> >>> >   More than you probably wanted to know,
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >                                                        Joe Sam
> >>> >
> >>> > Joe Sam Shirah -        www.conceptgo.com
> >>> > conceptGO       -        Consulting/Development/Outsourcing
> >>> > Java Filter Forum:      www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/
> >>> > Just the JDBC FAQs:  www.jguru.com/faq/JDBC
> >>> > Going International? www.jguru.com/faq/I18N
> >>> > Que Java400?            www.jguru.com/faq/Java400
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Spicer
> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:06 PM
> >>> > To: list
> >>> > Subject: How do you say "SQL?"
> >>> >
> >>> > Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I was wondering how many "seequell"
> >>> and
> >>> > "es cue ell" people there were on the list. Personally, I say "es cue
> >>> ell".
> >>> >
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