Re: How do you say "SQL?"

Hey man, quit breathing your peanut butter breath on me.

On Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:27:50 AM super PJ wrote:
> When did the JaxLUG turn into the middle school lunch table for
> nerds?
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Chad Bailey 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > Wow, I am truly sorry if I offended anyone in any way shape or
> > form. When posting what I posted, I had absolutely no knowledge
> > of how anyone here pronounced anything (believe me, my memory
> > isn't that good). What I said was merely a confession of my own
> > personal idiosyncrasies that make me unique. This was in no way
> > meant to say that I truly thought people were dumb or anything
> > of that nature, just that it comes off that way to me.
> > 
> > This has nothing to do with any individual and honestly, is
> > something that I need to fix because the way someone pronounces
> > something has no bearing on their intelligence or abilities. In
> > other words, the problem is with me, not you and I realize that.
> > I was merely confessing to this. I suppose I didn't do the best
> > job at conveying that point with my original post.
> > 
> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Jess Hires <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> >> This is from the Linux page on Wikipedia, an ogg file of Linus
> >> Torvalds saying how he pronounces Linux.
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linus-pronounces-linux.ogg
> >> 
> >> Now that that's clear, I'll continue to say that Linux is not
> >> pronounced just one way, it is pronounced many ways. The
> >> greatest thing about Linux, in my opinion, is that you can
> >> change anything you want, and I think that should include
> >> everything from source code to the way you want to pronounce
> >> it.
> >> 
> >> Anyway, you're probably going to keep pronouncing it however you
> >> first learned it, regardless of what anybody else says. That's
> >> perfectly fine in my book. :)
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Gene Cronk <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> >>> I'm exiting this thread.....I've explained my position, yet
> >>> it's painfully obvious that I am considered stupid by some for
> >>> my pronunciation of certain words...
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Chad Bailey
> >>> <[email protected]
> >>> 
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> > I'm pulling from ooold knowledge here, but if I'm not
> >>> > mistaken Linux adapted its name from "Minix" -- mini-unix.
> >>> > This may explain the method for pronouncing.
> >>> > 
> >>> > Linus + Minix = Linux
> >>> > 
> >>> > I don't know, but I've even heard of recordings of linus
> >>> > saying how to pronounce linux so I'm sure of it (after all,
> >>> > he did make it).
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Martin, Patrick
> >>> > 
> >>> > <patrick.martin-Q1//[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> > > I'm going to start correcting people immediately and often.
> >>> > >  Regardless
> >>> > 
> >>> > of the fact that the guys I'll be correcting run thousands of
> >>> > instances globally. :-)
> >>> > 
> >>> > > Thanks Gene!
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > - Pat
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: Gene Cronk [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:28 PM
> >>> > > To: Chad Bailey
> >>> > > Cc: Joe Sam Shirah; list
> >>> > > Subject: Re: How do you say "SQL?"
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > For giggles, I looked up how Linus Torvalds' first name is
> >>> > > pronounced....Considering the OS is named after him, we're
> >>> > > both wrong.
> >>> 
> >>>  I
> >>> 
> >>> > > pronounce it lie-nux (hard I), you pronounce it lin-ux
> >>> > > (soft I)....but according to Wikipedia it should be
> >>> > > pronounced lee-nux (hard E).  Check
> >>> > 
> >>> > it
> >>> > 
> >>> > > out for yourself...
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
> >>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Swedish_and_
> >>> > > Norwegian
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Gene Cronk 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> > >> I pronounce it Line-ux for one reason....The U in UNIX is
> >>> > >> a hard
> >>> 
> >>> vowel,
> >>> 
> >>> > so
> >>> > 
> >>> > >> I treat the first vowel as hard as well in Linux.  As far
> >>> > >> as SQL, I pronounce it sequel currently, but used to
> >>> > >> pronounce it squeal.  To
> >>> 
> >>> each
> >>> 
> >>> > >> their own.
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Chad Bailey
> >>> > >> <[email protected]
> >>> > >
> >>> > >wrote:
> >>> > >>> Similarly, I typically reflect what people use when they
> >>> > >>> speak to me.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> If it's me doing the talking though, I pronounce the
> >>> > >>> letters. I am opposed to speaking acronyms as if they
> >>> > >>> are words regardless of the circumstances "lul" (unless
> >>> > >>> it's an instance where the acronym is intentionally made
> >>> > >>> into a word, like "WINE").
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> While on the subject, I have a confession. People who
> >>> > >>> pronounce linux as "line-ux" irritate me. It's lin, like
> >>> > >>> fin... linux. I almost find it disrespectful, and do
> >>> > >>> consider those who pronounce it in such a
> >>> 
> >>> way
> >>> 
> >>> > >>> less educated *shrugs*.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> The same thing applies to "nuke-ya-ler". When someone
> >>> > >>> pronounces it this way, I instantly wonder "does this
> >>> > >>> person know what a nucleus is or did they sleep through
> >>> > >>> that in school".
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> Just being transparent here, no intentions to upset
> >>> > >>> anyone here who pronounces it wrong. You'll never get me
> >>> > >>> to agree that it can be pronounced "both ways" though.
> >>> > >>> In SQL's case, things are very different. It isn't in
> >>> > >>> any way related to an individual's name.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Joe Sam Shirah <
> >>> 
> >>> [email protected]
> >>> 
> >>> > >>> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >   For peer/client usage, I long ago decided "when in
> >>> > >>> > Rome..."  That
> >>> > 
> >>> > is,
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > "sequel" or "Ess Que Ell" depending on usage at the
> >>> > >>> > particular
> >>> 
> >>> site.
> >>> 
> >>> > >>> >   Technically, "Ess Que Ell" is correct.  SEQL,
> >>> > >>> > Structured English
> >>> > 
> >>> > Query
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > language - pronounced "sequel" - was IBM's first go at
> >>> > >>> > an RDBMS
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> language.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> > Later it was changed to SQL, pronounced "Ess Que Ell".
> >>> > >>> >   Here's one
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> link,
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> > I'm sure there are more definitive ones out there:
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > http://www.sad4ever.org/dbms/sql_en.php
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> >   The first time I heard "sequel" was in relation to MS
> >>> > >>> > SQL Server;
> >>> > 
> >>> > they
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > apparently thought it sounded cool after doing in their
> >>> > >>> > Sybase
> >>> > 
> >>> > contract.
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>>  In
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> > some sense, it's a generational thing, and one should
> >>> > >>> > be aware of
> >>> > 
> >>> > both
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > useages, but the history is in the link above.
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> >   If some snob corrects me on either usage and  I'm
> >>> > >>> > feeling nasty,
> >>> > 
> >>> > I'll
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > often smile and say, "you know, I've been trying to
> >>> > >>> > find an RDBMS
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> expert.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> > Could you briefly explain to me what a relation really
> >>> > >>> > is and how
> >>> > 
> >>> > tuples
> >>> > 
> >>> > >>> are
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> > involved?"  Amazing how few self-defined experts really
> >>> > >>> > understand relational database concepts.
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> >   More than you probably wanted to know,
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> >                                                      
> >>> > >>> >  Joe Sam
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > Joe Sam Shirah -        www.conceptgo.com
> >>> > >>> > conceptGO       -      
> >>> > >>> >  Consulting/Development/Outsourcing Java Filter Forum:
> >>> > >>> >      www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/ Just the JDBC
> >>> > >>> > FAQs:  www.jguru.com/faq/JDBC
> >>> > >>> > Going International? www.jguru.com/faq/I18N
> >>> > >>> > Que Java400?            www.jguru.com/faq/Java400
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Spicer
> >>> > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:06 PM
> >>> > >>> > To: list
> >>> > >>> > Subject: How do you say "SQL?"
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I was wondering how
> >>> > >>> > many
> >>> 
> >>> "seequell"
> >>> 
> >>> > >>> and
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> > "es cue ell" people there were on the list. Personally,
> >>> > >>> > I say "es
> >>> 
> >>> cue
> >>> 
> >>> > >>> ell".
> >>> 
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