List Policy

Fred, Graham, Richard and Jacques,

First off, sorry for losing my cool with Jacques.  Secondly, this is a LINUX 
USER GROUP, keywords USER GROUP, obviously it is my goal to try and steer 
the group to meet the interests of the group at large, whether it be Yang 
Rou Chuan or Networking.  However, my intention is to stay focused on Open 
Source topics, and we use LINUX as our common demoninator to support that.

A few contributors, Linux enthusiasts, who want to learn and share their 
experiences about Linux have been turned away because our list really has a 
lot of uninteresting banter.  How did we solve this, split the list up, but 
how do we protect the general list?

We will follow a simple rule of thumb - if it doesn't have to do with Open 
Source, keep it off the list and save it for our regular meetings.  Lets try 
applying the rule - Memeber Information - hmmm, if we want to publish info 
about members and what they do, well, if they have skills or knowledge about 
open source then it can be published, however, if they work in a company 
that has nothing to do with open source, then i don't think it is relevant.  
However at our regular meetings if you see this person and think, hmmm, what 
does he do, then ask.  Or perhaps you need an attorney, and you are at our 
regular meeting, then ask members if they know someone.  

BUT, if we publish info about members it will be kept strictly to their 
interest, with Open Source Technology, their specialties, with OPEN SOURCE 
Technology.  

PLEASE, lets move on from this.  If you want to be apart of our member list, 
please e-mail Fred directly, our instigator ;), or [email protected] (me) 
and let us know how you would like to be listed, please contact us off 
list.  The member list will be used as a way for us to direct inquiries and 
carry on dialogues off list - a friend finder of sorts.  HAO BU HAO?

Kind Regards,

Michael Iannini
President, BeijingLUG

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Richard Ford <[email protected]>
To: fred-GQxX53Lv/[email protected], Beijing LUG general non-technical discussion list - Not 
publicly posted <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:53:46 +0800
Subject: RE: [blug-general] Translations Company -> 
Businessdirectoryonourwebsite?

> I wouldn't give up.
> 
> I had a similar idea before, but more of a market research and
> communication tool idea.  The root of it was resting on the idea of
> ADVOCACY, which I feel the LUG is also in operation for.
> 
> We just need to thrash out some scope or plan or model that addresses
> all the various needs and wants.
> 
> I would be happy to catch up in private to go over my previous idea (you
> were not present at the meeting) and see if there is a way we can forge
> the two together within the mantra of the LUG and the realities of 
> the LUG and/or where we find ourselves (China).
> 
> RF.
> 
> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 14:05, Frederic Muller wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Well seems I started a very controversial issue about which people have
> > strong opinions. Maybe this whole idea is outside of the scope our LUG 
and
> > therefore I should have thought twice before raising it.
> > However I find it hard to separate business from something such as Linux,
> > because without successful business models and people making money out 
of it
> > I doubt Linux would be where it is today. But this is my opinion and my
> > opinion only.
> > 
> > Furthermore the idea was really to build something convenient as I often
> > find myself looking for something everywhere when it is just next to me 
and
> > I don't know about it. But really this problem isn't about Linux.
> > Translation services is not about Linux either and therefore should such 
an
> > email posted in the list be blocked or the sender banned?
> > 
> > I was a bit surprised by such vehement and strong reactions to an idea 
that
> > was more based on helping each other than anything else. I definitely 
give
> > up the idea and wish everyone peace.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Fred
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
> > [mailto:blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Graham 
Brown
> > Sent: Tuesday 16 March, 2004 12:42
> > To: Beijing LUG general non-technical discussion list - Not publicly 
posted
> > Subject: RE: [blug-general] Translations Company ->
> > Businessdirectoryonourwebsite?
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe we are all talking about the same thing. (Maybe not :-))
> > 
> > So far as I can see no one is talking about "business" promotion as such.
> > 
> > If part of the aims of the group are to promote Linux and assist others 
> > with it, then it is useful to know where you might get assistance.
> > 
> > Just over a year ago, I telephoned someone from  a group here to find 
out 
> > how to get the Chinese input system up on the screen.  (Ctrl Spacebar).  
If 
> > I had not had that assistance, we might not be running Linux on the 
> > desktop.  I might have just loaded up MSW because I know it works out of 
> > the box - we are in business and computers are just one of our tools.  
We 
> > work long hours as it is.
> > 
> > If one of the aims is to spread the use of Linux on the business 
desktop, 
> > the practical reality is that it is much more difficult to go down the 
> > Linux path than the MS path.   It is just too hard if you do not have 
> > access to people that know.  Talk about online resources is empty when 
you 
> > are trying to get your modem or LAN  connection going.  You need to be 
able 
> > to get help from someone who know a little more than you, not 
necessarily a 
> > lot more.
> > 
> > If not our group, where?
> > 
> > Current issues that I have.  I find the Asterix project interesting - it 
> > has lots of interesting features for business.  Cost of two of the cards 
> > that it uses is greater than the total cost of my Chinese made pabx.  
Can 
> > they be made to work together? Could the Chinese made cards work with 
> > Asterix? Is it worth pursuing? Someone familiar with the technical side 
of 
> > telephone systems could probably set me straight in 60 seconds.   
Problem 
> > is, I do not know anyone in that business (so far as I am aware). 
Equally, 
> > I do not want to be a telephone technician - I want to use a reasonably 
> > sophisticated system and it might be fun if it ran from a PC.
> > 
> > I have some very good basic programs that I use, but would be better for 
me 
> > if adapted to what we do.  Where do I find someone really familiar with 
> > (say) PHP and Postgresql?
> > 
> > We will be running out the cabling for a new lan (about 25 points) in 
the 
> > next few weeks.  What brand of wall connections should I use? Who will 
> > terminate and check? etc etc.  Who have you used that you would 
recommend?
> > 
> > >These issues may not be as geeky as memory stack overflows (whatever 
they 
> > >are), but they, and similar issues are part of    making the choice not 
to 
> > >hand everything IT over to someone who only knows and supplies "their"
> > >solution.
> > >
> > >BTW - I mention these issues as illustrations - I actually have a very
> > >long list of things to work through :-).
> > >
> > >OTOH, I seem to be ahead in some areas and I am happy to help others on
> > >that path too.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Graham Brown
> > 
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