RE: Non - Linux - But good article

the point was not about the article but the comments in the email... I guess
I was not clear enough.
Besides this is a Linux group and not a Freedom of speech group. I remember
not so long ago the issue being raised about sticking to Linux/Open source
subject.... so why not anymore?

Fred

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From: blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
[mailto:blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Su Jiang
Sent: Wednesday 31 March, 2004 10:16
To: 'Beijing LUG general non-technical discussion list - Not
publiclyposted'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [blug-general] Non - Linux - But good article


Hi, as a Chinese I would like to make a few comments too.

I like the article that Richard recommended.  I am really into my job and
can't follow up with the discussion in this mailing list all the time.
Often I skipped the articles that Bluggers recommended in their email but I
happened to read this article and found it is very informative, interesting
and intelligent.  Personally I would like to thank Richard to have taken
efforts and time to pick this great article and shared with us, isn't
sharing the true spirit of Linux?

I tend to think Fred has been a bit emotional on this issue.  Whatever we
felt about the wordings or opinions of the article does not change the fact
at all, right?  The truth is out there, hiding from the truth does not
change it, neither denial.  The article may not telling the ultimate truth,
but it is informative enough to expend the horizon of our knowledge about
skyscrapers, isn't this a nice thing?  Why we geeks have to sit in the well
of technology and stay away from other interesting knowledge?  The spirit of
technology is not about learning and building but to explore with passion -
it is a fun tour!

I understand Fred's concern about saving bluggers' time by keeping this
mailing list specialized in technology issues only.  I have to say that this
sound a bit too up-tight for me. I am an up-tight person at my job too, but
I don't take this mailing list as serious as my job, and I don't think we
need to.  I think this is a mailing list of freedom. Richard has the freedom
of posing articles for people's interest, people who are not interested has
the freedom of not reading it, and Fred has the freedom to claim that he was
offended.  I don't agree to make any rules on this mailing list for that
will break the spirit of freedom, which is also the spirit of Linux.

Another thing I can't agree, is the way of your debate.  Where is this
leading?  The article is informative and useful but your debate is not.
Sorry to say so but this is my freedom to express my feeling.  : )

Regards,

Amy

-----Original Message-----
From: blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
[mailto:blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Graham Brown
Sent: 2004327 9:14
To: [email protected]; Beijing LUG general non-technical discussion list -
Not publicly posted
Subject: RE: [blug-general] Non - Linux - But good article

Hello,

As an regular /. reader, of course I have not RTFA.

I also do not want to get into the merits of particular viewpoints, but I
have been coming to China since 1983 and have lived here full time since
1997.

It would be a go idea to understand the practical realities. Any group not
specifically approved including the BJLUG  is likely to be

illegal.
Whatever private thought an individual might hold about general
inadequacies in China, expressing them in a public space is not likely to
be helpful.  In that sense this is a public space - it is recorded and
capable of official scrutiny.

There is a big difference between ping results on a particular IP net and
general political criticism, even if well founded.

Chinese are, and have every right to be, proud of their country, their
government and their achievements.  The fact that they sometimes criticise
it is their option - they are citizens.  It is no different from
Australians criticising their own government.  We (Richard and I ) both
know that Australians get really irritated if an  American or Brit does the
same thing.  Our collective response is likely to be "If you don't like it
here - leave".  We have Chinese friends and members and they are likely to
have a similar response, even if their politeness hides it.

China is moving at 100mph - sometimes they get it wrong, or do not plan etc
etc.  So what?  They are entitled to do it their way.  We are here for the
ride, but we are guests in their country.  As a group, we should behave
accordingly.  Privately, is another issue.

I suggest that we let it drop and move on to something less controversial
like our "contact" list :-)

Graham Brown

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