(forw) Drastic step to deal with DMARC damage (was: What the hey? I am still [email protected])

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:43:02 -0800
From: Rick Moen <[email protected]>
To: Garrison Hilliard <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Drastic step to deal with DMARC damage (was: What the hey? I am
	still [email protected])
Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.

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Quoting Garrison Hilliard ([email protected]):

> So re-enable my subscription, Rick! Please!

The subscription to Skeptic for [email protected] shows as
currently enabled.  Perhaps you re-enabled it?


I very strongly suspect this is (more) DMARC collateral damage.  DMARC
and its subsidiary standard DKIM, are very badly designed extensions to
e-mail and to DNS, created by Yahoo, Inc., that are hostile to mailing
lists.  There's a hideous kludge that may (I hope) deal with the
immediate problem, that I may resort to -- temporarily -- for lack of
time.

I've very busy doing many things including analysis of the upcoming
California primary ballot, which means I don't have _time_..  So, I'm
going to enable this option for all mailing lists hosted on
linuxmafia.com.  Right now.

  Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address
  (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)

  That setting is called "anonymous list", for short.

I am also removing the flag for all users whose subscriptions have
suddenly been marked undeliverable for too high a "bounce score", which
will re-enable deliver attempts to them.

For the Skeptic list, that means these subscribers, almost all on GMail:

Chris Norloff
[email protected]  (no name stated)
Francisco de Assis Mariano
Ben Avery
[email protected] (no name stated)
Charles Parsons
GJ Bart
[email protected] (no name stated)
[email protected]
Eleanor Schechter
RDR
Greg Singer
Gernot Metze
James Chappell
Jan-Magnus Okland
Kevin France
[email protected] (no name stated)
Lucius
Scott D. White
[email protected] (no name stated)
Michael D. Sofka
Stan Schwarz
Tony Mills
tony godshall
Wade T Smith (two addresses)
Roger Simpson


To be clear, am not _sure_ this is DMARC collateral damage, and the odd
thing is that mass-disabling of GMail addresses has not yet occurred on
any of the other hosted mailing lists, including equally active mailing
lists Conspire and SF-LUG.  

But I feel I need to take drastic action on what I _think_ is the cause,
so I'm rolling out the "anonymous list" change.

Again, the key thing is that I really don't have time right now, but, 
to see more about the DMARC disaster, and how Yahoo didn't give a damn
about how DMARC/DKIM broke mailing lists, read here:
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2024-February/012602.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2024-February/012603.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2024-February/012607.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2024-February/012611.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2024-February/012612.html



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