Re: Discussion: Using LLMs the Right Way: 10/1/2025 7pm Eastern Daylight time
Ivan Sergio Borgonovo <[email protected]> Wed, 1 Oct 2025 11:18:15 +0200
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Cory Doctorow is writing a lot of good stuff on AI I mostly agree with. He has a more "artistic" POV, despite him being a nerd too, while I have a more tech POV so sometimes he despise the use of generative AI where I would just say "why not?". I think he is making a great point that has actual technical implications when he talk about centaurs and reverse-centaurs. That should be the starting point to any successful use of AI. On 10/1/25 3:15 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Where: GoLUG Online: https://meet.jit.si/golug > When: Wednesday, 10/1/2025 7pm sharp Eastern Daylight time > Arrive 15 minutes early for Microphone check & discussion > Who: Steve Litt, Troubleshooter, Developer, Tech Writer > What: Discussion: Using LLMs the Right Way > > As a regular inhabitant of LinkedIn, I see an ever increasing bunch of > BS concerning topics AI and Vibe Coding (the ultimate undefined phrase). > > There are those people scared to death that their developer jobs will > be completely taken over by Large Language Models (LLMs), and out of > panic and fear they trot out the old tropes about "vibe coders" having > ChatGPT or Claude spit out a 5K line application and deploy it live, so > that an army of $200/hr consultants can come in and fix the mess. > > Then there are the self-proclaimed "realists" proclaiming that human > developers are obsolete, you'd better accept it, software writes > software that writes software that writes software, and it's better > code than anything written by a human, So become a business > executive. Perhaps this will be true someday, but it's nowhere near > true today. > > Just today I saw a LinkedIn post blaming "AI" for permanent brainwave > alterations and inattentiveness. Well yeah, if you do any activity > wrong: Listening to music, watching TV, programming, writing books, > weightlifting, taking vitamins or making money, it can change your > brain, and often not for the better. > > You just gotta love these guys who spend valuable brainpower worrying > themselves to death that job applicants are using AI to answer the > interview questions. If the applicant comes up with the right answer in > such a time and emotional crunch, why do they care if the applicant used > a tool to do it? Unless it's a matter of the interviewer not knowing > whether the answer is correct, in which case maybe it's the interviewer > who shouldn't have a job. Anyway, if the applicant can quickly come > up with correct answers using his AI tools, imagine how productive > he'll be on the job. Work isn't a closed-book activity :-) > > Here's the truth: LLMs are a tool. A very powerful tool, but just a > tool. They do a big portion of the job very fast, but they don't do the > whole job. As of 2025 you still need human troubleshooters, you need > people who understand how to write readable and modular code so it's > maintainable even when the LLM can't do the job, you need somebody to > interview and specify. Imagine the ruckus laborers must have made when > backhoes were invented. A backhoe and its operator could out produce > ten strong and skilled ditch diggers. But if you look around, at every > jobsite using a backhoe you'll see one or two guys with shovels to get > the last few inches dug around pipes, etc. The project still had an > architect and an engineer. A backhoe can't do the whole job, and > neither can an LLM. Very few people on LinkedIn stop to think about > this. LLMs lead neither to heaven nor hell. They're a tool. A very > powerful tool, but just a tool. > > And by the way, LLMs are hugely helpful in learning new things, and > I've found that interacting with them also helps me discuss things with > humans. > > At the discussion I'll briefly reveal how I use LLMs to help me develop > software, learn new things, and turn them into a high quality, > lightning fast lookup software or service manual. Then others will > reveal their tricks, tips, and policies of using LLMs. We should all > come away with a better understanding of how to use LLMs as a tool. > > Hope to see you there. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > GoLUG Publicity Coordinator > > > _______________________________________________ > conspire mailing list > [email protected] > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire -- Ivan Sergio Borgonovo https://www.webthatworks.it https://www.borgonovo.net