Re: Discussion: Using LLMs the Right Way: 10/1/2025 7pm Eastern Daylight time

Deirdre Saoirse Moen <[email protected]> Wed, 1 Oct 2025 23:51:29 -0700
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On Oct 1, 2025, at 23:25, Steve Litt <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> If used right, I think an LLM is a big benefit to an excellent
> programmer. But the minute the LLM does more than advise, there's a =
big
> potential for trouble. It's only 2025, and LLMs aren't good enough to
> be in the drivers seat.

Disagree with your first sentence, agree with the second, and feel you =
are far too charitable about the third.

I like water. I like natural resources. I like them far, far more than =
the negligable benefits LLMs offer.

> Let's take "in the drivers seat" literally for a second. You know why
> I'm not against self-driving cars? I'm not against them because a
> self-driving car, with all its bugs, is still much less likely to =
crash
> than 98% of the imbeciles driving regular cars. Sure, self-driving =
cars
> will cause crashes, but they'll prevent even more crashes related to
> idiot drivers.

And then there=E2=80=99s idiot programming of cars, which should *stop* =
when it doesn=E2=80=99t understand a situation rather than put a pax in =
danger where where the CHP needs to call dispatch and take over.

=
https://www.mv-voice.com/video/2025/09/09/officer-steers-wayward-waymo-to-=
safety-after-highway-fire/

=E2=80=A6as a recent example (and from a firm that does it more right =
than anyone).

Deirdre=

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">On Oct 1, =
2025, at 23:25, Steve Litt &lt;[email protected]&gt; =
wrote:<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br><div><span =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;">If used right, I think =
an LLM is a big benefit to an excellent</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
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!important;">programmer. But the minute the LLM does more than advise, =
there's a big</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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It's only 2025, and LLMs aren't good enough to</span><br =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;">be in the drivers =
seat.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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none;"></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Disagree with your first =
sentence, agree with the second, and feel you are far too charitable =
about the third.</div><div><br></div><div>I like water. I like natural =
resources. I like them far, far more than the negligable benefits LLMs =
offer.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: LucidaGrande; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Let's take "in the =
drivers seat" literally for a second. You know why</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: LucidaGrande; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
LucidaGrande; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I'm not against =
self-driving cars? I'm not against them because a</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: LucidaGrande; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
LucidaGrande; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;">self-driving car, with =
all its bugs, is still much less likely to crash</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: LucidaGrande; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
LucidaGrande; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;">than 98% of the =
imbeciles driving regular cars. Sure, self-driving cars</span><br =
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none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
LucidaGrande; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;">will cause crashes, but =
they'll prevent even more crashes related to</span><br =
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none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
LucidaGrande; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;">idiot drivers.</span><br =
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none;"></div></blockquote><div><br></div>And then there=E2=80=99s idiot =
programming of cars, which should *stop* when it doesn=E2=80=99t =
understand a situation rather than put a pax in danger where where the =
CHP needs to call dispatch and take over.</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"https://www.mv-voice.com/video/2025/09/09/officer-steers-wayward-w=
aymo-to-safety-after-highway-fire/">https://www.mv-voice.com/video/2025/09=
/09/officer-steers-wayward-waymo-to-safety-after-highway-fire/</a></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>=E2=80=A6as a recent example (and from a firm that =
does it more right than =
anyone).</div><div><br></div><div>Deirdre</div></body></html>=

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