Re: Discussion: Using LLMs the Right Way: 10/1/2025 7pm Eastern Daylight time
Don Marti <[email protected]> Fri, 3 Oct 2025 16:56:26 -0700
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On 10/3/25 13:36, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
> LLMs are a parlor game that use far more resources than they can provid=
e value to society. They don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwork=E2=80=9D in the sens=
e that they are not intelligent, and are not true AI. At *best* you will =
get a junior dev out of them, but a junior dev who makes mistakes like de=
leting code that shouldn=E2=80=99t be deleted. Many people do not have en=
ough exposure to LLMs to realize they are basically attempting to recreat=
e that kid who constantly screws up then pretends nothing bad happened, t=
hen wonders why you stopped talking to them.
I was talking about a web publishing/advertising thing that's fairly=20
complicated and someone said they would use ChatGPT to get some=20
background explanation of it.=C2=A0 That seemed like a bad place to start=
,=20
for two reasons.
1. It's about a market in which a lot of people have an incentive to=20
persuade others that things are a certain way, so there's a lot of sales=20
copy from one point of view.
2. The technology is changing fairly quickly, so most of the content out=20
there would apply to older code or practices.
> That said, I did find it useful to be able to interactively ask questio=
ns that were specific to $FIRM=E2=80=99s processes and have a live answer=
that was usually at least close enough to correct I could find the answe=
r from where it led me.
Now I'm wondering about the categories of things for which an LLM would=20
be useful.=C2=A0 Syntax for doing something that appears in publicly=20
available scripts might be a good example -- I have been able to "vibe=20
code" some correct Python code to extract material from an HTML file=20
with Beautiful Soup, and get the jq(1) syntax right for getting a subset=20
of the info from a big JSON file. (For both of those I could test the=20
output, though)
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<p>On 10/3/25 13:36, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:[email protected]">
<pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">LLMs are a parlor game that =
use far more resources than they can provide value to society. They don=E2=
=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwork=E2=80=9D in the sense that they are not intelligent=
, and are not true AI. At *best* you will get a junior dev out of them, b=
ut a junior dev who makes mistakes like deleting code that shouldn=E2=80=99=
t be deleted. Many people do not have enough exposure to LLMs to realize =
they are basically attempting to recreate that kid who constantly screws =
up then pretends nothing bad happened, then wonders why you stopped talki=
ng to them.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>I was talking about a web publishing/advertising thing that's
fairly complicated and someone said they would use ChatGPT to get
some background explanation of it.=C2=A0 That seemed like a bad pla=
ce
to start, for two reasons.</p>
<p>1. It's about a market in which a lot of people have an incentive
to persuade others that things are a certain way, so there's a lot
of sales copy from one point of view.</p>
<p>2. The technology is changing fairly quickly, so most of the
content out there would apply to older code or practices.</p>
<p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span></p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:[email protected]">
<pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">That said, I did find it use=
ful to be able to interactively ask questions that were specific to $FIRM=
=E2=80=99s processes and have a live answer that was usually at least clo=
se enough to correct I could find the answer from where it led me.</pre>
</blockquote>
Now I'm wondering about the categories of things for which an LLM
would be useful.=C2=A0 Syntax for doing something that appears in
publicly available scripts might be a good example -- I have been
able to "vibe code" some correct Python code to extract material
from an HTML file with Beautiful Soup, and get the jq(1) syntax
right for getting a subset of the info from a big JSON file. (For
both of those I could test the output, though)
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