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The state of Oregon recently passed several laws regarding electricity.* O=
ne prohibited increases of electric rates during winter months.* Another li=
mited rate increases to no more often than 15 months* Yet another passed st=
rict limitations on construction of data centers consuming large amounts of=
electricity.
This from a state that used to have abundant electricity from large hydro d=
ams.
On Thursday, October 2, 2025 at 01:45:29 AM PDT, Rick Moen <rick@linuxm=
afia.com> wrote: =20
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True but not relevant to Deirdre's point.=C2=A0 You knew that, right?
The profligate overuse of drinking water (to name just one squandered
resource) for server farm cooling for, lately, huge LLM installations=20
(previously cryptocurrency mining) may not be a problem in climates with
year-round watercourses everywhere (like Dad's native Norway), but it's
already horribly damaging in, say, the American West.
That is a real problem, and saying it somehow doesn't matter being it's
"social and economical" rather than technological misses the point that
-- again, sticking only to water as an example -- humans, crops, etc.=20
being edged out for fresh water is a big issue.
Now, you could say that my country ought to have better protections of
key resources against depredation via greater buying power, and I would
agree.=C2=A0 But the point remains, that the immediate effects are
pernicious, which I believe was Deirdre's point.
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On Thursday, October 2, 2025 at 01:45:29 AM PDT, Rick M=
oen <[email protected]> wrote:
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<div><br></div><div><br>True but not relevant to Deirdre's =
point. You knew that, right?<br>The profligate overuse of drinking wa=
ter (to name just one squandered<br>resource) for server farm cooling for, =
lately, huge LLM installations <br>(previously cryptocurrency mining) may n=
ot be a problem in climates with<br>year-round watercourses everywhere (lik=
e Dad's native Norway), but it's<br>already horribly damaging in, say, the =
American West.<br><br>That is a real problem, and saying it somehow doesn't=
matter being it's<br>"social and economical" rather than technological mis=
ses the point that<br>-- again, sticking only to water as an example -- hum=
ans, crops, etc. <br>being edged out for fresh water is a big issue.<br><br=
>Now, you could say that my country ought to have better protections of<br>=
key resources against depredation via greater buying power, and I would<br>=
agree. But the point remains, that the immediate effects are<br>perni=
cious, which I believe was Deirdre's point.<br><br></div>
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