Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday April 2nd
Sean Neilan <[email protected]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0500
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--===============0119084499080363772== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0294a58589b04bb2cc7ca --000e0ce0294a58589b04bb2cc7ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds about right. I'm definitely coming regardless. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Hal Wigoda <[email protected]> wrote= : > Because nobody recognizes him contribution to Linux. > > ------- > > On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Sean Neilan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Why is Richard Stallman not listed on the UiC International House (the > location's) website? > http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/ > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Larry Garfield <[email protected]>w= rote: > >> Matt originally suggested it back when I was president a decade ago. I >> vetoed it on the grounds that "I refuse to be president of DUFOS!" >> (Really, that line is in the old mail archives from a decade ago, if >> anyone has them.) >> >> We were originally DLUG, then DGLUG, then DLC. The DGLUG name wasn't >> strictly "because RMS wanted it", but because we were trying to be more >> Free Software-supportive than Open-Sourcy. We eventually changed to DLC >> because no one could pronounce a word with a slash in it. >> >> No reasonable person claims that RMS is the father of Linux, and neither >> does RMS. One could argue that he's the father of GNU/Linux, and RMS >> himself will give you a 20 minute lecture if you dare to refer to the >> entire system as anything other than GNU/Linux. He was the founder of >> FSF, which has been a major positive force in the "software and >> intellectual freedom" movement (Free Software, Open Source, copyright >> freedom, open formats, etc.). >> >> RMS himself is still nonetheless a rather unpleasant human being. I >> speak from personal experience (I had dinner with him back when I was at >> DePaul as a student) as well as near universal agreement among others >> I've talked to that have spent time with him. >> >> I would still encourage people to see him speak themselves, if only for >> the experience. He may not be a nice person, but he is still right on >> far more issues than most would like to admit. If you haven't read "The >> Right to Read" then you do not understand just how far gone our society >> is, in ways that RMS predicted 15 years ago: >> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html >> >> (Incidentally, that "one Chicago-area university" mentioned at the >> bottom? Yes, that's DePaul.) >> >> Thanks for making me feel old, guys! Now get off my lawn... >> >> --Larry Garfield >> >> On 3/13/12 12:37 PM, Matthew P Kemp wrote: >> > Been trying since 1999/98 ... haven't succeed yet. All of you =3D=3D = no >> fun! >> > >> > -- >> > Matthew P Kemp >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM,<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I like the name you suggest "DePaul Users of Free Operating Systems" = I >> just >> >> dont think I would be too crazy about the acronym: DUFOS (?) >> >> >> >> but that's just me.... >> >> >> >> /*Joel Alonso*/ >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Matthew P Kemp"<[email protected]> >> >> To: "DePaul Linux Community - Discuss"<[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:48:12 AM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday April >> 2nd >> >> >> >> Actually DLUG became DGLUG for a bit. I am still voting for DePaul >> >> Users of Free Operating Systems, but I keep losing that battle. BSD >> >> be damned! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Matthew P Kemp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Kristoff<[email protected]> wrote= : >> >>> Someone said that Stallman is the father of Linux. I doubt Richard >> >>> would even claim that, especially since he would insist you call the >> >>> entire operating system GNU/Linux. Nevertheless, the FSF has this t= o >> >>> say: >> >>> >> >>> If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution in this way, >> >>> what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in their "Lin= ux >> >>> distribution", GNU software was the largest single contingent, >> around >> >>> 28% of the total source code, and this included some of the >> essential >> >>> major components without which there could be no system. Linux >> itself >> >>> was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in the "main" >> >>> repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages are 15%.) >> So if >> >>> you were going to pick a name for the system based on who wrote th= e >> >>> programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice would b= e >> >>> =93GNU=94. >> >>> >> >>> <http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html> >> >>> >> >>> Whatever you call it, it's an aggregate of many licenses, people and >> >>> borrowed ideas from other projects. >> >>> >> >>> As a historical note, I recall this group once seriously considering >> >>> changing it's name from the original DLUG to DGLUG or something >> similar >> >>> to acquiesce to the FSF when it was made clear by Bradley Kuhn when = he >> >>> visited DePaul that RMS himself wouldn't come to DePaul unless this >> >>> group changed it's name to put 'GNU' or something about free softwar= e >> in >> >>> it's name. >> >>> >> >>> John >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> DLC mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> >>> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> DLC mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> DLC mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DLC mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> > http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > --000e0ce0294a58589b04bb2cc7ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds about right.<div><br></div><div>I'm definitely coming regardless= .<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Hal W= igoda <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">hwigo= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Because nobody= recognizes him contribution to Linux.=A0<br><br>-------</div><div><div></d= iv> <div class=3D"h5"> <div><br>On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Sean Neilan <<a href=3D"mailto:sea= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br><= br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Why is Richard Stallman = not listed on the UiC International House (the location's) website?<div= > <a href=3D"http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://ihouse.uch= icago.edu/</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:= 02 PM, Larry Garfield <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:larry@garfiel= dtech.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<b= r> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Matt originally suggested it back when I was= president a decade ago. =A0I<br> vetoed it on the grounds that "I refuse to be president of DUFOS!"= ;<br> (Really, that line is in the old mail archives from a decade ago, if<br> anyone has them.)<br> <br> We were originally DLUG, then DGLUG, then DLC. =A0The DGLUG name wasn't= <br> strictly "because RMS wanted it", but because we were trying to b= e more<br> Free Software-supportive than Open-Sourcy. =A0We eventually changed to DLC<= br> because no one could pronounce a word with a slash in it.<br> <br> No reasonable person claims that RMS is the father of Linux, and neither<br= > does RMS. =A0One could argue that he's the father of GNU/Linux, and RMS= <br> himself will give you a 20 minute lecture if you dare to refer to the<br> entire system as anything other than GNU/Linux. =A0He was the founder of<br= > FSF, which has been a major positive force in the "software and<br> intellectual freedom" movement (Free Software, Open Source, copyright<= br> freedom, open formats, etc.).<br> <br> RMS himself is still nonetheless a rather unpleasant human being. =A0I<br> speak from personal experience (I had dinner with him back when I was at<br= > DePaul as a student) as well as near universal agreement among others<br> I've talked to that have spent time with him.<br> <br> I would still encourage people to see him speak themselves, if only for<br> the experience. =A0He may not be a nice person, but he is still right on<br= > far more issues than most would like to admit. =A0If you haven't read &= quot;The<br> Right to Read" then you do not understand just how far gone our societ= y<br> is, in ways that RMS predicted 15 years ago:<br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html</a><br> <br> (Incidentally, that "one Chicago-area university" mentioned at th= e<br> bottom? =A0Yes, that's DePaul.)<br> <br> Thanks for making me feel old, guys! =A0Now get off my lawn...<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br> --Larry Garfield<br> </font><div><div></div><div><br> On 3/13/12 12:37 PM, Matthew P Kemp wrote:<br> > Been trying since 1999/98 ... haven't succeed yet. =A0All of you = =3D=3D no fun!<br> ><br> > --<br> > Matthew P Kemp<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM,<<a href=3D"mailto:aztec007@comcas= t.net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> =A0wrote:<br> >> I like the name you suggest "DePaul Users of Free Operating S= ystems" I just<br> >> dont think I would be too crazy about the acronym: DUFOS (?)<br> >><br> >> but that's just me....<br> >><br> >> /*Joel Alonso*/<br> >><br> >> ________________________________<br> >> From: "Matthew P Kemp"<<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.p.ke= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> >> To: "DePaul Linux Community - Discuss"<<a href=3D"mai= lto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>= ;<br> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:48:12 AM<br> >><br> >> Subject: Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday Ap= ril 2nd<br> >><br> >> Actually DLUG became DGLUG for a bit. =A0I am still voting for DeP= aul<br> >> Users of Free Operating Systems, but I keep losing that battle. = =A0BSD<br> >> be damned!<br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Matthew P Kemp<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Kristoff<<a href=3D"mailt= o:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> =A0wrote:<br> >>> Someone said that Stallman is the father of Linux. =A0I doubt = Richard<br> >>> would even claim that, especially since he would insist you ca= ll the<br> >>> entire operating system GNU/Linux. =A0Nevertheless, the FSF ha= s this to<br> >>> say:<br> >>><br> >>> =A0 If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution = in this way,<br> >>> =A0 what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in th= eir "Linux<br> >>> =A0 distribution", GNU software was the largest single co= ntingent, around<br> >>> =A0 28% of the total source code, and this included some of th= e essential<br> >>> =A0 major components without which there could be no system. L= inux itself<br> >>> =A0 was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in the= "main"<br> >>> =A0 repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages ar= e 15%.) So if<br> >>> =A0 you were going to pick a name for the system based on who = wrote the<br> >>> =A0 programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice= would be<br> >>> =A0 =93GNU=94.<br> >>><br> >>> =A0 <<a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html</a>><br> >>><br> >>> Whatever you call it, it's an aggregate of many licenses, = people and<br> >>> borrowed ideas from other projects.<br> >>><br> >>> As a historical note, I recall this group once seriously consi= dering<br> >>> changing it's name from the original DLUG to DGLUG or some= thing similar<br> >>> to acquiesce to the FSF when it was made clear by Bradley Kuhn= when he<br> >>> visited DePaul that RMS himself wouldn't come to DePaul un= less this<br> >>> group changed it's name to put 'GNU' or something = about free software in<br> >>> it's name.<br> >>><br> >>> John<br> >>> _______________________________________________<br> >>> DLC mailing list<br> >>> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DL= [email protected]</a><br> >>> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" tar= get=3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >>> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://= linux.depaul.edu/</a><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> DLC mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@ma= ilman.depaul.edu</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target= =3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linu= x.depaul.edu/</a><br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> DLC mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@ma= ilman.depaul.edu</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target= =3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linu= x.depaul.edu/</a><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > DLC mailing list<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@mailma= n.depaul.edu</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_= blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> > <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.de= paul.edu/</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> DLC mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= aul.edu</a><br> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_blank= ">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.= edu/</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>___________________= ____________________________</span><br><span>DLC mailing list</span><br><sp= an><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@mailman.= depaul.edu</a></span><br> <span><a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"= _blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a></span><br><span>= Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!</span><br><span><a href=3D"http://linux.= depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.edu/</a></span></div> </blockquote></div></div></div><br>________________________________________= _______<br> DLC mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_blank= ">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.= edu/</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div> --000e0ce0294a58589b04bb2cc7ca-- --===============0119084499080363772== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DLC mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! http://linux.depaul.edu/ --===============0119084499080363772==--