Re: DunLUG Digest, Vol 123, Issue 10
Jason <[email protected]> Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:14:47 +1000
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--===============7978559218008153817== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113612981030f7052fb0e50b --001a113612981030f7052fb0e50b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys compared to you I am so novice it's not funny. Question I have just purchased a fujixerox mono laser printer PW115 can't get it to print I'm using Ubuntu 14 have looked up on different sites shit it's complicated. I've been interested and using Ubuntu for about 8 or more years. If you can suggest anything would be happy. But not go back to windows. Thanks Jas On 5/04/2016 9:06 am, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send DunLUG mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DunLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? (Reece Arnott) > 2. Re: Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? (Kathinka) > 3. Re: Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? (Alex King) > 4. Re: Let's use NVC (Daniel Strypey Bruce) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:52:29 +1200 > From: Reece Arnott <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [dunlug] Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed" > > On 02/04/16 22:27, Alex King wrote: > > > > And I'd be quite interested in discussing some of the actual issues, > > e.g. for me: > > > > * Is a move to picture-based interfaces meeting everyone's needs? > > * Constant change in open source - staying with what you've learnt > > and know often isn't an option, the industry takes away the > > familiar and people must adopt to the new or go without (be exclude= d) > > * The myth of choice - of course there is lots of choice in the open > > source world, but most people receive their compilation of open > > source technology through gatekeepers, e.g. Ubuntu. In reality > > choice is limited by the options offered. (of course if you work > > in technology and have time to spend on it, you have more options. > > * There is a lot of "fashion" in the industry, and that is enabled > > by the big companies and groupthink. > > * Do developers and designers get rewarded and appreciated for their > > work? > > > > HTH, > > Alex > > Something to discuss tomorrow night at Filadelfio's! > (not facetious, I think it would be an interesting discussion to have) > > I'm planning on being there although with the codecraft meeting on, I > may arrive nearer to 8:30pm than 7:30pm. > > Also, a new RMS interview: > > https://www.singularityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-free-softw= are/ > > -- > "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, it turne= d > out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a standard= ." > -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84) > http://hpmor.com/ > > Reece Arnott > Dunedin > New Zealand > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/20160404/db5558b2/= attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 20:12:26 +1200 > From: Kathinka <[email protected]> > To: DunLUG <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [dunlug] Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? > Message-ID: > <CAMWvXDYpXWF48oUmG7kNismQ915NpM4rM2xn1a_TK8cx=3D > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" > > On 4 April 2016 at 19:52, Reece Arnott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 02/04/16 22:27, Alex King wrote: > > > > > > And I'd be quite interested in discussing some of the actual issues, e.= g. > > for me: > > > > - Is a move to picture-based interfaces meeting everyone's needs? > > - Constant change in open source - staying with what you've learnt a= nd > > know often isn't an option, the industry takes away the familiar and > people > > must adopt to the new or go without (be excluded) > > - The myth of choice - of course there is lots of choice in the open > > source world, but most people receive their compilation of open sour= ce > > technology through gatekeepers, e.g. Ubuntu. In reality choice is > limited > > by the options offered. (of course if you work in technology and > have time > > to spend on it, you have more options. > > - There is a lot of "fashion" in the industry, and that is enabled b= y > > the big companies and groupthink. > > - Do developers and designers get rewarded and appreciated for their > > work? > > > > HTH, > > Alex > > > > > > Something to discuss tomorrow night at Filadelfio's! > > (not facetious, I think it would be an interesting discussion to have) > > > > I'm planning on being there although with the codecraft meeting on, I m= ay > > arrive nearer to 8:30pm than 7:30pm. > > > > Also, a new RMS interview: > > > https://www.singularityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-free-softw= are/ > > > > -- > > "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, it > turned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a > standard." > > -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84) > http://hpmor.com/ > > > > Reece Arnott > > Dunedin > > New Zealand > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > =E2=80=8BThere's something else I=E2=80=8B > > =E2=80=8Bwas intending to be at too - but if you're going to be late Ree= ce I'll > try to get there about the same time or earlier. > > Kathinka.=E2=80=8B > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/20160404/6b0cc4f3/= attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:10:34 +1200 > From: Alex King <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [dunlug] Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed" > > On 04/04/16 20:12, Kathinka wrote: > > > > > > On 4 April 2016 at 19:52, Reece Arnott <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > On 02/04/16 22:27, Alex King wrote: > >> > >> And I'd be quite interested in discussing some of the actual > >> issues, e.g. for me: > >> > >> * Is a move to picture-based interfaces meeting everyone's needs= ? > >> * Constant change in open source - staying with what you've > >> learnt and know often isn't an option, the industry takes > >> away the familiar and people must adopt to the new or go > >> without (be excluded) > >> * The myth of choice - of course there is lots of choice in the > >> open source world, but most people receive their compilation > >> of open source technology through gatekeepers, e.g. Ubuntu. > >> In reality choice is limited by the options offered. (of > >> course if you work in technology and have time to spend on > >> it, you have more options. > >> * There is a lot of "fashion" in the industry, and that is > >> enabled by the big companies and groupthink. > >> * Do developers and designers get rewarded and appreciated for > >> their work? > >> > >> HTH, > >> Alex > > > > Something to discuss tomorrow night at Filadelfio's! > > (not facetious, I think it would be an interesting discussion to > have) > > > > I'm planning on being there although with the codecraft meeting > > on, I may arrive nearer to 8:30pm than 7:30pm. > > > > Also, a new RMS interview: > > > https://www.singularityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-free-softw= are/ > > > > -- > > "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, it > turned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a > standard." > > -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84) > > http://hpmor.com/ > > > > Reece Arnott > > Dunedin > > New Zealand > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > =E2=80=8B There's something else I=E2=80=8B > > =E2=80=8Bwas intending to be at too - but if you're going to be late R= eece > > I'll try to get there about the same time or earlier. > > > > Kathinka. =E2=80=8B > > > Likewise I have something else on Tuesdays at 7.30, but I'll call in > around 8:45 if anyone is still there. > > Alex > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/20160405/c729980a/= attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:06:28 +1200 > From: Daniel Strypey Bruce <[email protected]> > To: DunLUG <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [dunlug] Let's use NVC > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed > > Kia ora koutou > > On 2016-04-02 22:27, Alex King wrote: > > I like Marshall Rosenburg's method of communication (NVC), if we > > followed that we could have discussions as robust as we like and not > > offend each other. His communications guidelines are like an > > algorithm, > > 4 steps even simple folk like me can follow. > > Alex, those of us who have spent a lot of time working in > consensus-based groups and networks (particularly activist campaigning > groups), have often been forced by that circumstance to do a lot of > reflection about the way we communicate and how effective it is. In my > experience, most people don't even think of communication as something > that can be consciously designed, so much as whatever pours out when one > opens ones mouth or starts typing. There is a tendency to view conscious > crafting of communication as vaguely dishonest (perhaps influenced by > the background anti-intellectualism of kiwi culture), or self-censoring. > > Anyway, I would certainly be interested in learning more about NVC, and > being part of a workshop where we could practice this style of > communication in person, and see its effects in realtime. This could be > something we agree to do during one of the regular DunLUG meetups times. > Would you be willing to lead such a workshop? Would anyone else on the > list be keen to attend? > > Hei k=C5=8Dn=C4=81 > Strypey > > -- > =E2=80=9CBe who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don= 't > matter, and those who matter don't mind.=E2=80=9D - Dr. Seuss > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > DunLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug > > > ------------------------------ > > End of DunLUG Digest, Vol 123, Issue 10 > *************************************** > --001a113612981030f7052fb0e50b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">Hi guys compared to you I am so novice it's not funny. Q= uestion I have just purchased a fujixerox mono laser printer PW115 can'= t get it to print I'm using Ubuntu 14 have looked up on different sites= shit it's complicated. I've been interested and using Ubuntu for a= bout 8 or more years. If you can suggest anything would be happy. But not g= o back to windows.=C2=A0 Thanks </p> <p dir=3D"ltr">Jas </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/04/2016 9:06 am, <<a href=3D"mailto:dun= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>> w= rote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma= rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send DunLUG ma= iling list submissions to<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">du= [email protected]</a><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/d= unlug" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.ethernal.org/listi= nfo/dunlug</a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= .org">[email protected]</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg">[email protected]</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of DunLUG digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? (Reece Arnott)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? (Kathinka)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Re: Meeting tomorrow: who will be there? (Alex King)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A04. Re: Let's use NVC (Daniel Strypey Bruce)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:52:29 +1200<br> From: Reece Arnott <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">reece.arno= [email protected]</a>><br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]<= /a><br> Subject: [dunlug] Meeting tomorrow: who will be there?<br> Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">57021D3D.6030= [email protected]</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowe= d"<br> <br> On 02/04/16 22:27, Alex King wrote:<br> ><br> > And I'd be quite interested in discussing some of the actual issue= s,<br> > e.g. for me:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Is a move to picture-based interfaces meeting everyone&#= 39;s needs?<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Constant change in open source - staying with what you&#= 39;ve learnt<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and know often isn't an option, the industry ta= kes away the<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0familiar and people must adopt to the new or go wit= hout (be excluded)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0* The myth of choice - of course there is lots of choice i= n the open<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0source world, but most people receive their compila= tion of open<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0source technology through gatekeepers, e.g. Ubuntu.= =C2=A0 In reality<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0choice is limited by the options offered.=C2=A0 (of= course if you work<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in technology and have time to spend on it, you hav= e more options.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0* There is a lot of "fashion" in the industry, a= nd that is enabled<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0by the big companies and groupthink.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Do developers and designers get rewarded and appreciated= for their<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0work?<br> ><br> > HTH,<br> > Alex<br> <br> Something to discuss tomorrow night at Filadelfio's!<br> (not facetious, I think it would be an interesting discussion to have)<br> <br> I'm planning on being there although with the codecraft meeting on, I<b= r> may arrive nearer to 8:30pm than 7:30pm.<br> <br> Also, a new RMS interview:<br> <a href=3D"https://www.singularityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-f= ree-software/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.singularity= weblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-free-software/</a><br> <br> --<br> "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, it tu= rned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a stand= ard."<br> -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84)<br> <a href=3D"http://hpmor.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://h= pmor.com/</a><br> <br> Reece Arnott<br> Dunedin<br> New Zealand<br> <br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/= 20160404/db5558b2/attachment-0001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/20160404/db5558b2/= attachment-0001.html</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 2<br> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 20:12:26 +1200<br> From: Kathinka <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">kathin= [email protected]</a>><br> To: DunLUG <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= hernal.org</a>><br> Subject: Re: [dunlug] Meeting tomorrow: who will be there?<br> Message-ID:<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <CAMWvXDYpXWF48oUmG7kNismQ915NpM4rM2xn1a_TK8= cx=3D<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><b= r> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br> <br> On 4 April 2016 at 19:52, Reece Arnott <<a href=3D"mailto:reece.arnott@g= mail.com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > On 02/04/16 22:27, Alex King wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> > And I'd be quite interested in discussing some of the actual issue= s, e.g.<br> > for me:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Is a move to picture-based interfaces meeting everyone&= #39;s needs?<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Constant change in open source - staying with what you&= #39;ve learnt and<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 know often isn't an option, the industry takes away t= he familiar and people<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 must adopt to the new or go without (be excluded)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The myth of choice - of course there is lots of choice = in the open<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 source world, but most people receive their compilation o= f open source<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 technology through gatekeepers, e.g. Ubuntu.=C2=A0 In rea= lity choice is limited<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 by the options offered.=C2=A0 (of course if you work in t= echnology and have time<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to spend on it, you have more options.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - There is a lot of "fashion" in the industry, = and that is enabled by<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the big companies and groupthink.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Do developers and designers get rewarded and appreciate= d for their<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 work?<br> ><br> > HTH,<br> > Alex<br> ><br> ><br> > Something to discuss tomorrow night at Filadelfio's!<br> > (not facetious, I think it would be an interesting discussion to have)= <br> ><br> > I'm planning on being there although with the codecraft meeting on= , I may<br> > arrive nearer to 8:30pm than 7:30pm.<br> ><br> > Also, a new RMS interview:<br> > <a href=3D"https://www.singularityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singular= ity-free-software/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.singul= arityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-free-software/</a><br> ><br> > --<br> > "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, = it turned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a = standard."<br> > -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84)<a href=3D"= http://hpmor.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://hpmor.com/</= a><br> ><br> > Reece Arnott<br> > Dunedin<br> > New Zealand<br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> ><br> =E2=80=8BThere's something else I=E2=80=8B<br> <br> =E2=80=8Bwas intending to be at too -=C2=A0 but if you're going to be l= ate Reece I'll<br> try to get there about the same time or earlier.<br> <br> Kathinka.=E2=80=8B<br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/= 20160404/6b0cc4f3/attachment-0001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/20160404/6b0cc4f3/= attachment-0001.html</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 3<br> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:10:34 +1200<br> From: Alex King <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a= >><br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]<= /a><br> Subject: Re: [dunlug] Meeting tomorrow: who will be there?<br> Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">5702D84A.30= [email protected]</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowe= d"<br> <br> On 04/04/16 20:12, Kathinka wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> > On 4 April 2016 at 19:52, Reece Arnott <<a href=3D"mailto:reece.arn= [email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> > <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">reece.arnott@gmai= l.com</a>>> wrote:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 02/04/16 22:27, Alex King wrote:<br> >><br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And I'd be quite interested in discussing s= ome of the actual<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0issues, e.g. for me:<br> >><br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* Is a move to picture-based interfaces = meeting everyone's needs?<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* Constant change in open source - stayi= ng with what you've<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0learnt and know often isn't a= n option, the industry takes<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0away the familiar and people must= adopt to the new or go<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0without (be excluded)<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* The myth of choice - of course there i= s lots of choice in the<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0open source world, but most peopl= e receive their compilation<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of open source technology through= gatekeepers, e.g. Ubuntu.<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In reality choice is limited by t= he options offered.=C2=A0 (of<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0course if you work in technology = and have time to spend on<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it, you have more options.<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* There is a lot of "fashion" = in the industry, and that is<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0enabled by the big companies and = groupthink.<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* Do developers and designers get reward= ed and appreciated for<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0their work?<br> >><br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0HTH,<br> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Alex<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Something to discuss tomorrow night at Filadelfio&#= 39;s!<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(not facetious, I think it would be an interesting = discussion to have)<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm planning on being there although with the c= odecraft meeting<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on, I may arrive nearer to 8:30pm than 7:30pm.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Also, a new RMS interview:<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.singularityweblog.com/richar= d-stallman-singularity-free-software/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.singularityweblog.com/richard-stallman-singularity-free-softwa= re/</a><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Believing men would act in their own interest= was not cynicism, it turned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do = not meet so high a standard."<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Cha= pter 84)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://hpmor.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://hpmor.com/</a><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reece Arnott<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dunedin<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0New Zealand<br> ><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______________________________________________<br> ><br> > =E2=80=8B There's something else I=E2=80=8B<br> > =E2=80=8Bwas intending to be at too -=C2=A0 but if you're going to= be late Reece<br> > I'll try to get there about the same time or earlier.<br> ><br> > Kathinka. =E2=80=8B<br> ><br> Likewise I have something else on Tuesdays at 7.30, but I'll call in<br= > around 8:45 if anyone is still there.<br> <br> Alex<br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/= 20160405/c729980a/attachment-0001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">http://lists.ethernal.org/pipermail/dunlug/attachments/20160405/c729980a/= attachment-0001.html</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 4<br> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:06:28 +1200<br> From: Daniel Strypey Bruce <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected].= nz">[email protected]</a>><br> To: DunLUG <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= hernal.org</a>><br> Subject: Re: [dunlug] Let's use NVC<br> Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= et">[email protected]</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed<br> <br> Kia ora koutou<br> <br> On 2016-04-02 22:27, Alex King wrote:<br> > I like Marshall Rosenburg's method of communication (NVC), if we<b= r> > followed that we could have discussions as robust as we like and not<b= r> > offend each other.=C2=A0 His communications guidelines are like an<br> > algorithm,<br> > 4 steps even simple folk like me can follow.<br> <br> Alex, those of us who have spent a lot of time working in<br> consensus-based groups and networks (particularly activist campaigning<br> groups), have often been forced by that circumstance to do a lot of<br> reflection about the way we communicate and how effective it is. In my<br> experience, most people don't even think of communication as something<= br> that can be consciously designed, so much as whatever pours out when one<br= > opens ones mouth or starts typing. There is a tendency to view conscious<br= > crafting of communication as vaguely dishonest (perhaps influenced by<br> the background anti-intellectualism of kiwi culture), or self-censoring.<br= > <br> Anyway, I would certainly be interested in learning more about NVC, and<br> being part of a workshop where we could practice this style of<br> communication in person, and see its effects in realtime. This could be<br> something we agree to do during one of the regular DunLUG meetups times.<br= > Would you be willing to lead such a workshop? Would anyone else on the<br> list be keen to attend?<br> <br> Hei k=C5=8Dn=C4=81<br> Strypey<br> <br> --<br> =E2=80=9CBe who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don&#= 39;t<br> matter, and those who matter don't mind.=E2=80=9D - Dr. Seuss<br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Subject: Digest Footer<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> DunLUG mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><= br> <a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug</a><br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> End of DunLUG Digest, Vol 123, Issue 10<br> ***************************************<br> </blockquote></div> --001a113612981030f7052fb0e50b-- --===============7978559218008153817== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRHVuTFVHIG1h aWxpbmcgbGlzdApEdW5MVUdAbGlzdHMuZXRoZXJuYWwub3JnCmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5ldGhlcm5h bC5vcmcvbGlzdGluZm8vZHVubHVnCkR1bkxVRyBXaWtpIC0gaHR0cDovL2R1bmx1Zy5rYWxsaXN0 aS5uZXQubnov --===============7978559218008153817==--