Re: Meeting, Linus, et al.

On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 22:41 -0700, Joshua Schmidlkofer wrote:
> MJang wrote:
> > Seems like the bitkeeper talk was a bit understated - Perens is quoted
> > as calling Linus an unpleasant name on this topic -
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/15/perens_on_torvalds/ 

> First off - it's "The Register", admittedly the "Weekly World News" of the tech community.  Second - has anyone actually 
> verified this?  Third, last that I heard he is a bloody Debian maintainer, and I think that says a lot in this regard.

You could be right - this is apparantly a long-standing dispute:
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/32618.htm
http://kerneltrap.org/node/204/497

However, the quote from Perens is consistent with his comments on /.
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/140202&from=rss

Based on what I see here
http://www.screaming-penguin.com/main.php?viewclass=32

It sounds like Perens' thought OSDL should have fired Tridge for his
work on SourcePuller. 

Thanks,
Mike
> 
> I am looking for the actual emails in question.  However, it's pretty retarded of Bruce to say "BitKeeper was foisted on 
> to kernel developers"  if he did say it. 

It is consistent with his comments (if they were his) on /.

> So, I find these quotes highly suspect.  I would like some aimslist or some other e-mail archive evidence on all sides 
> before I believe that this is a huge problem.  It smells like hit-generation / ad-sales fodder.

It does seem to be working. The traffic is increasing, and even CNET is
quoting the Register now 
http://news.com.com/Torvalds+looking+for+new+Linux
+home/2100-7344_3-5660566.html?tag=nefd.lede
> 
> I also heard what Greg said last night:
> 
>   a.  The general consensus [among maintainer, i.e. people responsible for continuing development] is problems w/ 
> management @ OSDL.

Perens seems to disagree, per his comments on /. Whether anyone should
listen is a different question.
> 
>   b.  Regardless of intent or screw up, Tridge did seemingly manage to single-handedly stop kernel development for two 
> weeks already.  Larry, OSDL, Tridge and Linus at some point have all made decisions assisting in reaching this end. 
> However, if anything is childish and immature - it's responding to stupidity w/ stupidity.   If OSDL could have 
> commercially licensed BitKeeper for every single kernel developer worldwide for a reasonable amount of money, that would 
> have been a good idea.  Then the reverse engineering of the protocol would have been legal anyway.  At that point it is 
> a legally protected right.  Furthermore, according to Larry the lionshare of his business is with Windows users.

I couldn't find anything online confirming what we heard w/r/t Tridge -
do you have any links?

Thanks,
Mike

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